definition of emergency

[dmlfarmer]

Dml enough with the obfuscation, the match that lit the fire was Justin Trudeau’s vaccine mandate on cross border truckers. Then instead of trying to lower the temperature he poured gasoline on the fire with his statements attacking the demonstrators and those who supported them. The people along the roads and on overpasses cheering as the convoy passed weren’t white supremacists or racists they were people fed up with vaccine mandates. A young couple that live 25 mins. from me loaded up their 3 kids 6 and under and drove all the way from Alberta to Ottawa to participate in the first weekend demonstration not because they wanted to overthrow the government but because they wanted mandates to end.

Now I am certainly not naive, there certainly was some off the wall types that embedded themselves in this demonstration, but the EMA wasn’t necessary just competent policing. I posted for you what Chris Barber was charged with, you didn’t respond, the fact was these charges existed in the existing criminal code, the EMA wasn’t necessary for these charges to be laid!!

Hamloc

Even if Trudeau had dropped the cross border mandate, that would not have opened the border as the US has exactly the same cross border mandate restricitons

And more than 10% or 3.5 million Canadians refuse to get vaccinated so just because lots of people lined the roadways cheering does not mean they support the Ottawa situation today or the weeks of border blockades. I don't like the mandates either, but I also respect laws and democracy which those still in protest do not. There are ways to protest legally and effectively. Simply using leaderless mobs to disrupt life and the economy is neither.

Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

[A990]

I have a question for all of you opposed to Trudeau implementing the EMA.

I had some time so did some research into Canadian laws and found this condensation of the act and I really want to know which of these 6 points you disagree with and think is overreach by the government. Is this law to prevent attacks on our country and democracy wrong?

-It creates a new terrorism offence that criminalizes knowingly advocating or promoting “terrorism offences in general” while aware of the possibility that someone else “may” commit such an offence;
-It allows the preventive arrest and detention of a person if it is “likely” to prevent a terrorist activity that a “peace officer” reasonably believes “may” be carried out;
-It creates the new concept of “terrorist propaganda” and allows a judge to order the deletion of such material from the internet;
-It gives the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) the power to take measures to reduce “threats to the security of Canada”, even if doing so would violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the “Charter”) or other Canadian law;
-It allows government institutions to share information with each other about “activities that undermine the security of Canada”; and
-It codifies the Minister’s ability to put Canadians on a “no-fly list”.

... whats happening is definitions are being changed. "Terrorism" is doing a lot of work here. Its becoming the word for anyone with a dissenting view.
.. in the US the Secretary of homeland security issued a statement defining misinformation/malinformation/disinformation, which ties into the "terrorist propaganda" part of this.
....the "malinformation" term is new word that describes "facts" being used to mislead.......let THAT sink in.

...can"t imagine how that could be misused

[Guest]

The best part of all is people voting won’t be at 66 % next time and 18% off the pop of Canada won’t rule

[burnt]

Hamloc

Even if Trudeau had dropped the cross border mandate, that would not have opened the border as the US has exactly the same cross border mandate restricitons

And more than 10% or 3.5 million Canadians refuse to get vaccinated so just because lots of people lined the roadways cheering does not mean they support the Ottawa situation today or the weeks of border blockades. I don't like the mandates either, but I also respect laws and democracy which those still in protest do not. There are ways to protest legally and effectively. Simply using leaderless mobs to disrupt life and the economy is neither.

Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

Eeyow! The staggering untruths, blatant contradictions of fact, and confusion!

It's a challenge to determine whether this post is evidence of a committed liar or a "posting while psychotic" episode.

[A990]

Hamloc


Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

the border was open before the ema was implemented

[Hamloc]

Hamloc

Even if Trudeau had dropped the cross border mandate, that would not have opened the border as the US has exactly the same cross border mandate restricitons

And more than 10% or 3.5 million Canadians refuse to get vaccinated so just because lots of people lined the roadways cheering does not mean they support the Ottawa situation today or the weeks of border blockades. I don't like the mandates either, but I also respect laws and democracy which those still in protest do not. There are ways to protest legally and effectively. Simply using leaderless mobs to disrupt life and the economy is neither.

Was the EMA overreach? That will be debated for years. But what is clear now is police did not have the resources before to end the border blockdades, yet within hours of the EMA being implemented the borders were open.

I note not a single person on this forum would stand up and point out which of the 6 points I made yesterday in the existing legislation was government overreach. To me that says that none of you law and order claimants believe the law to be overreach. You are just mad that Trudeau has used the law instead of going in with massive milatary force and ending it immediately as would happen in a true facist regime.

As many posters have said on here repeated, this protest is not about mandates. Good folks like your neighbors are simply being used and sadly do not realize it yet.

Yes you are correct that the U.S. also implemented a border vaccine mandate 7 days later, the fact remain Trudeau’s imposition of the mandate was the reason the protest began.

When a government stops listening to the people, the people eventually react. The border blockades are a sign in my opinion government went to far. Were they wrong? Certainly. Were they justified? That is difficult for me to answer. As a law abiding citizen I can’t support breaking the law but there are so many things Justin Trudeau has done and said that I disagree with that a part of me supported the spirit of the demonstrations.

All the border blockades except for the one in Manitoba were gone before the EMA was enacted, all that really was left was the protest in Ottawa, the EMA wasn’t justified to end the blockade in one city with an obviously incompetent police force.

As for the 6 points, personally I think the EMA period is overreach but the second one where a peace officer can arrest someone he thinks might carry out a terrorist activity, certainly overreach allows arrest and detention on an opinion no fact required. The fourth one appears to give CSIS the ability to do anything they want, appears to be overreach. Fact remains I am not a lawyer, the EMA imposition is a wild over reaction to a situation created by incompetent governance and inflammatory leadership by our Prime Minister!

Dml on thing you forgot to mention was the DMA gave the banks the ability to freeze peoples bank accounts. According to the CBC 76 people’s bank accounts have been frozen so far. The information about donors was obtained illegally by an illegal hack of GiveSendGo. Your ok with this? Still can’t believe any intelligent person would defend the actions of Justin Trudeau!

I do think the initial reaction was about mandates. The convoy was successful in waking up many provincial governments and changing their outlook. Premier Legault, who I am not a fan of, certainly has softened his approach to the unvaccinated. He can do what Justin Trudeau cannot and that is read what the electorate is thinking.