Senate vote

[bucket]

I hope some MPs take their week off to go home and talk to their constituents and see how people across the country do feel. Relying on an impression formed in one location, under pressures from above, isn’t adequate.

Agreed but they can do that while they sit in Ottawa as well just by answering the phone.

I don't have to convince my MP, but when the NDP make the decisions, they too should have to respond to all Canadians for their support of this measure.

Why, because when you help pass an act like this that will affect all Canadians not just a small area, you owe it to canadians to explain yourself.

Jagmeet and his MPs have not done so. When you " reluctantly " support this, after the emergency has passed without good reasons to extend it, it would have been better to use existing laws and stay on the side of caution, because the precedent now set , is very dangerous when you think about it.

[Retired]

I don't have a problem with the CPC criticizing the EA. However it looks disingenuous when they supported illegal blockades and did nothing to stop them. You cannot have it both ways. Either you support the rule of law or you don't.

Just watched a bit of the underground railroad, so what you are saying is all those blacks and thier helpers are all terrorist criminals, They were breaking the law of the times An unjust law is an unjust law and if the only way to change it is civil obedience then so be it.

[Blaithin]

You are being very charitable when you call protesters average. They are not welcomed by the majority of Canadians.

You think the people protesting in Ottawa and at blockades are the only ones who feel that way? And that most of them aren’t just every day people?

Well then multiply Ottawa easily by 2 and you’ll get just the crowds and convoys I’ve seen locally who did not go protest but made their agreement known none the less.

Multiply it some more to get to the people who agree yet didn’t go demonstrate in any way.

And yes, they are very average people.

Unless you’re going to tell me most people I know are in no way average and we’re all outliers of opinion?

[WiltonRanch]

You think the people protesting in Ottawa and at blockades are the only ones who feel that way? And that most of them aren’t just every day people?

Well then multiply Ottawa easily by 2 and you’ll get just the crowds and convoys I’ve seen locally who did not go protest but made their agreement known none the less.

Multiply it some more to get to the people who agree yet didn’t go demonstrate in any way.

And yes, they are very average people.

Unless you’re going to tell me most people I know are in no way average and we’re all outliers of opinion?

Aside from the misgivings of some of the convoy organizers this convoy has given the disenchanted a bit of hope and an outlet.

[furrowtickler]

Good speech from Senator Denise Batters on the EMA

[agstar77]

You think the people protesting in Ottawa and at blockades are the only ones who feel that way? And that most of them aren’t just every day people?

Well then multiply Ottawa easily by 2 and you’ll get just the crowds and convoys I’ve seen locally who did not go protest but made their agreement known none the less.

Multiply it some more to get to the people who agree yet didn’t go demonstrate in any way.

And yes, they are very average people.

Unless you’re going to tell me most people I know are in no way average and we’re all outliers of opinion?

So you are saying more than 50% are supporting the blockades? Average would be 50%.

[TOM4CWB]

It becomes this way because the people elected to listen to all sides refuse to do their job.

And that can be proven by the fact that politicians took the week off.

Bucket this week was pre-scheduled to be an In Constituency week, the MP's already gave up their Family Day weekend to have the vote on the EMA.

The last weekend was 7am to 12pm each day in lockup because the police were busy breaking the law outside the West Block on Parliament Hill.

PM Trudeau and DPM Freeland are the fascists who fail to instead be reasonable and do their jobs.

[Blaithin]

So you are saying more than 50% are supporting the blockades? Average would be 50%.

I did not say average opinion, I said average people. Every day, working class, average people you’re passing on the street every day, talking to every day. They aren’t all loners hidden in basements with radical opinions.

Your question is also too narrow.

You can support the removal of the mandates without supporting all methods used. Myself, I wasn’t, and still am not, averse to the convoy. However I never agreed that the blockades were the way to go about it.

So should someone ask me the very specific question you just did; do you support the blockades?

My answer would be no and that apparently would be translated to I’m against the entire kit and caboodle.

I’m not.

Change your question if you want to try and apply it to the entire movement.

[agstar77]

I did not say average opinion, I said average people. Every day, working class, average people you’re passing on the street every day, talking to every day. They aren’t all loners hidden in basements with radical opinions.

Your question is also too narrow.

You can support the removal of the mandates without supporting all methods used. Myself, I wasn’t, and still am not, averse to the convoy. However I never agreed that the blockades were the way to go about it.

So should someone ask me the very specific question you just did; do you support the blockades?

My answer would be no and that apparently would be translated to I’m against the entire kit and caboodle.

I’m not.

Change your question if you want to try and apply it to the entire movement.

I am not against legal protests and freedom of expression. When the line is crossed I will condemn it no matter what average citizen does it.

[jazz]

There was already a survey done on this. More than 50% had reservations about the convoys prolonged protest, byt as many as 55% sympathized with the cause. 65% want the same mandates lifted.

And now that they see the govt weaponizing the EMA against people, the convoy support has likely skyrocketed. The majority of the donors were from Quebec and Ontario.

Agstarr and chuck like to overlay vaxx rates over every issue like out idiot PM. At least 40% of people vaxxed would have never taken it if not for coercive measures from our govt and employers.

And most worrysome for for our progressive partys, in the 18-34 age range the support for the convoy is as high as 60%.