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    #13
    A lot of the gains in Russian oil production came from the help of western oil companies like Esso shell and Canadian know how. With the likes of these majors pulling the pin there and Russia nationalizing production there will be a gradual decline in production. Talk to anyone who has been over there will open your eyes to the challenges they face extracting oil. Their cost of production on cold wells is comparable if not more in some cases compared to Western Canada. Some cases transpiration distances to market is insane. To go to China would be worse. Same as any grains overland to China is no easy feat. Shipping grain to the coast here is nothing compared to that.

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      #14
      https://www.railjournal.com/infrastructure/first-china-russia-cross-border-rail-bridge-completed/

      Is this major rail link not viable ?
      I don’t know , just inquiring

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        #15
        Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
        https://www.railjournal.com/infrastructure/first-china-russia-cross-border-rail-bridge-completed/

        Is this major rail link not viable ?
        I don’t know , just inquiring
        Pipelines and oil by rail to China don’t happen fast… so China is a year or two away from a major shift in consuming Russian oil and gas… most likely.

        An all out economic war… is going to be disruptive to everyone… China got away with the Pandemic Scott free… will be interesting to see if the Chinese pull a fast one on Russia too…

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          #16
          [video]https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/vidkritij-list-oleni-zelenskoyi-do-predstavnikiv-svitovih-zm-73437https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news...tovih-zm-73437
          this one is worth a read
          Last edited by Guest; Mar 10, 2022, 13:21.

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            #17
            Originally posted by caseih View Post
            [video]https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/vidkritij-list-oleni-zelenskoyi-do-predstavnikiv-svitovih-zm-73437https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news...tovih-zm-73437
            this one is worth a read
            Deere (1.4$B per year)
            Cat (4$B per year) have both just self sanctioned and pulled out of Russia. Bloomberg Report

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              #18
              Originally posted by WiltonRanch View Post
              A lot of the gains in Russian oil production came from the help of western oil companies like Esso shell and Canadian know how. With the likes of these majors pulling the pin there and Russia nationalizing production there will be a gradual decline in production. Talk to anyone who has been over there will open your eyes to the challenges they face extracting oil. Their cost of production on cold wells is comparable if not more in some cases compared to Western Canada. Some cases transpiration distances to market is insane. To go to China would be worse. Same as any grains overland to China is no easy feat. Shipping grain to the coast here is nothing compared to that.
              You very well could not be far off, however right or wrong I think the decision was made. Only time will tell to see if it will be a disaster like you say it could potentially be or the beginnings of a new global power as we know it.

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                #19
                Ten years is a long time for individuals.
                I've seen with my own eyes what can be built by China in that time or less. The center of the world is no longer in NA.
                Our highly individualistic culture here will be our decline in this environment.
                We will see a RU CH IN trading bloc increase in volume. And a lessening influence and volume of open outcry markets.
                Affordable energy to the masses will prevail as key regardless of type.
                Putin's reign will depend on his grip and life span.
                Maybe we should invade Venezuela.
                PS. Someone should muzzle JT.
                Telling people getting shot at he admires their democratic values. Puked in my mouth.
                If we were dead serious about saving Ukraine as we know it, we'd have a no fly zone. Instead we have a no balls condition. Good bye Ukraine as a sovereign state. Talk is cheap.

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                  #20
                  Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
                  Ten years is a long time for individuals.
                  I've seen with my own eyes what can be built by China in that time or less. The center of the world is no longer in NA.
                  Our highly individualistic culture here will be our decline in this environment.
                  We will see a RU CH IN trading bloc increase in volume. And a lessening influence and volume of open outcry markets.
                  Affordable energy to the masses will prevail as key regardless of type.
                  Putin's reign will depend on his grip and life span.
                  Maybe we should invade Venezuela.
                  PS. Someone should muzzle JT.
                  Telling people getting shot at he admires their democratic values. Puked in my mouth.
                  If we were dead serious about saving Ukraine as we know it, we'd have a no fly zone. Instead we have a no balls condition. Good bye Ukraine as a sovereign state. Talk is cheap.
                  I agree, truly our family is disturbed by the lack of compassion that the western world has for the humanity in Ukraine.

                  Putin obviously has no operating moral consciousness for humanity, nor do his Generals or the Chinese leadership.

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                    #21
                    Did our humanity inspire us to stop Pol Pot? Iran/Iraq? Africa?
                    Our society has never suffered first hand. Conviction only comes with blood.
                    Foreign policy is now determined by what wins today's election.
                    The loss of a sovereign Ukraine and a bankrupt Russia a blip.

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                      #22
                      When the states invaded Iraq and killed 150,000 civilians the world cheered.Oh how times have changed.

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                        #23

                        National Post
                        Interesting on fuel prices,
                        In the 1980’s 30 cents per mile for fuel for the average car then…
                        Now with more fuel efficient cars 16 cents per mile… at 150$/barrel still only 20 cents… plus many people driving half the amount that they did before the Pandemic.
                        I am going less than 25% of the miles now, and our farm is burning less than half the fuel per acre.
                        Last edited by TOM4CWB; Mar 10, 2022, 16:39.

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                          #24
                          China is not enabling Russia, it is playing Russia. China badly needs energy, resources, and land to feed and house its people and fuel its industries; all of which Russia has plenty of. But instead of waging a bloody war over Russia, China simply stroked Putin's ego and quest of power and subconsciously convinced him to annex the old Soviet lands China knew full well that Russia does not have the military might to capture and control Ukraine long term, much less other Soviet block countries. Furthermore, Chinese leaders and military planners would have foresaw the western response of economic isolation of Russia globally. All China had to do was align with Russia economically in trade and finance and they would own Russian after the Ukraine takeover fails.

                          The only winner in this war will be China. Russians will not speak Chinese in the near future, but their country and economy is sure to be controlled by China and the puppet regime that will replace Putin.

                          And there is nothing the west can do to prevent this now or in the future. China used misdirection on the west as well, leading the west to believe China's goal was a Taiwan takeover when in fact the real prize China was after was much bigger. And now the west will be too busy and preoccupied with rebuilding Ukraine to even realize that China won the war.

                          As China has done for thousands of years, they have quietly played the long game while everyone else only sees the immediate.

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