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    #13
    Originally posted by jazz View Post
    The sanctions have a time delay in them. Most dont go into full force for another couple months.

    Called virtue signal wiggle room.
    And they probably never will be enforced. It would take years or decades to replace the Russian oil and gas into Europe.

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      #14
      Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
      I agree. But consider, if in the longer term, this gives natural incentive for the search for alternate energy sources. Note I did not stipulate what alternate looked like.
      I read an interesting report by Goerhing and Rozencwajg from FEB 23, 2022 called "The distortion of cheap energy"

      The jist of it is that the only reason "green energy" has moved ahead at all is because of the last few years of cheap oil and cheap interest rates. Green energy is so capital and energy intensive that it can only return 3.5:1 on energy expended, oil is 30:1 and nuclear is 100:1. So if oil remains high and interest rates creep up " clean green " will never happen.

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        #15
        Originally posted by LEP View Post
        I read an interesting report by Goerhing and Rozencwajg from FEB 23, 2022 called "The distortion of cheap energy"

        The jist of it is that the only reason "green energy" has moved ahead at all is because of the last few years of cheap oil and cheap interest rates. Green energy is so capital and energy intensive that it can only return 3.5:1 on energy expended, oil is 30:1 and nuclear is 100:1. So if oil remains high and interest rates creep up " clean green " will never happen.
        Is that a paid report? I can't find it.

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          #16
          Originally posted by jazz View Post
          The sanctions have a time delay in them. Most dont go into full force for another couple months.

          Called virtue signal wiggle room.
          Makes sense. Water runs downhill so not likely the flow gets stopped. Wonder with fertilizer as well.

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            #17
            Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
            Is that a paid report? I can't find it.
            They are fund managers. I am on the road for a couple weeks and will try posting a link when I get back to my desktop.

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              #18
              Originally posted by WiltonRanch View Post
              What I find interesting with this “special exercise” in Ukraine and whatever else you’d think oil should be to the moon but it has yet to peak like it did before in a no war situation. Still it’s gone up, especially at the pumps but crude itself hasn’t hit any records. What am I missing?
              Oil and gas are up strongly the last few weeks following Putin's misadventures in the Ukraine. Many countries have sanctioned Russia however not all notably China and India and these are reportedly picking up Russian oil at lowered prices.much like Canadian canola sales to the UAE where it was crushed and the oil re-exported during the Chinese sanctions on Canada, often commodities still find their way to end users through alternative routes, or bought by countries that shirk international duties or simply disagree with the embargo, I also just saw a report on Sky news where Nat. gas flows to Europe from Russia are higher now than before the invasion .
              Last edited by mcfarms; Mar 27, 2022, 06:40.

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                #19
                Originally posted by LEP View Post
                So if oil remains high and interest rates creep up " clean green " will never happen.
                I will say out loud the unpopular view that the real war isnt even in Ukraine. Sure the kinetic war is there, but this is a war of something bigger.

                The US will now have to raise interest rates to head off a recession, but they will have to remain higher to protect the dollar. The US values their reserve currency above all else. And with the oil trade disrupted in export flows and payments structures and uncertainty ensures it will remain high. To get it back down they will have to embark on a 5 yr massive drilling plan. And they are hesitant to put in permanent infrastructure because we will just use that instead of any green energy.

                The green dream will have to go full nuclear now. Uranium is the only commodity that is undervalued but a lot of it comes from Kazakhstan too. Canada and Australia are the other big suppliers.

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                  #20
                  Looks like another climate hypocrite landed on the beach. Anybody falling for this climate garbage is a full on fool.

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                    #21
                    Still dying. This week UK halted all new windmill construction and went to greenlight 7 new nuke plants.

                    And now Biden. This is going to put a little dent in Trudeaus stupid woke green policies.

                    I am loving it. Reality meets physics.

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                      #22
                      Warren Buffet will be smiling ear to ear as trainloads of oil will make him a fortune. Oil by rail has increased dramatically here as the steam plants are cranking out oil at record levels . The new rail loading spot north of North Battleford is getting very busy .

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                        #23
                        So do you think that the $1.3 billion that Kenney UCP government spent in 2020 for cancelling the lease contracts of the 4400 oil rail cars that Notley government had contracted to move an additional 120,000 bpd out of province was a bad decision?
                        Last edited by dmlfarmer; Apr 5, 2022, 10:32.

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                          #24
                          Originally posted by dmlfarmer View Post
                          So do you think that the $1.3 billion that Kenney UCP government spent in 2020 for cancelling the lease contracts of the 4400 oil rail cars that Notley government had contracted to move an additional 120,000 bpd out of province was a bad decision?
                          Kenny had the foresight to subsidize and build Keystone out to Oyen. He knows that unicorns and windmills and fairy dust wont power fck all.

                          If Biden had not cancelled it, it would be built across the US border by now and could have been tied into tankage or other systems temporarily until the final legs could be constructed. There was a big rail yard upgrade done at that location a couple yrs ago too.

                          And our govt run pipeline project Transmountain is 200% over budget and 2 yrs behind schedule.

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