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Originally posted by blackpowder View PostI agree. But consider, if in the longer term, this gives natural incentive for the search for alternate energy sources. Note I did not stipulate what alternate looked like.
The jist of it is that the only reason "green energy" has moved ahead at all is because of the last few years of cheap oil and cheap interest rates. Green energy is so capital and energy intensive that it can only return 3.5:1 on energy expended, oil is 30:1 and nuclear is 100:1. So if oil remains high and interest rates creep up " clean green " will never happen.
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Originally posted by LEP View PostI read an interesting report by Goerhing and Rozencwajg from FEB 23, 2022 called "The distortion of cheap energy"
The jist of it is that the only reason "green energy" has moved ahead at all is because of the last few years of cheap oil and cheap interest rates. Green energy is so capital and energy intensive that it can only return 3.5:1 on energy expended, oil is 30:1 and nuclear is 100:1. So if oil remains high and interest rates creep up " clean green " will never happen.
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Originally posted by WiltonRanch View PostWhat I find interesting with this “special exercise†in Ukraine and whatever else you’d think oil should be to the moon but it has yet to peak like it did before in a no war situation. Still it’s gone up, especially at the pumps but crude itself hasn’t hit any records. What am I missing?Last edited by mcfarms; Mar 27, 2022, 06:40.
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Originally posted by LEP View PostSo if oil remains high and interest rates creep up " clean green " will never happen.
The US will now have to raise interest rates to head off a recession, but they will have to remain higher to protect the dollar. The US values their reserve currency above all else. And with the oil trade disrupted in export flows and payments structures and uncertainty ensures it will remain high. To get it back down they will have to embark on a 5 yr massive drilling plan. And they are hesitant to put in permanent infrastructure because we will just use that instead of any green energy.
The green dream will have to go full nuclear now. Uranium is the only commodity that is undervalued but a lot of it comes from Kazakhstan too. Canada and Australia are the other big suppliers.
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Warren Buffet will be smiling ear to ear as trainloads of oil will make him a fortune. Oil by rail has increased dramatically here as the steam plants are cranking out oil at record levels . The new rail loading spot north of North Battleford is getting very busy .
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So do you think that the $1.3 billion that Kenney UCP government spent in 2020 for cancelling the lease contracts of the 4400 oil rail cars that Notley government had contracted to move an additional 120,000 bpd out of province was a bad decision?Last edited by dmlfarmer; Apr 5, 2022, 10:32.
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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostSo do you think that the $1.3 billion that Kenney UCP government spent in 2020 for cancelling the lease contracts of the 4400 oil rail cars that Notley government had contracted to move an additional 120,000 bpd out of province was a bad decision?
If Biden had not cancelled it, it would be built across the US border by now and could have been tied into tankage or other systems temporarily until the final legs could be constructed. There was a big rail yard upgrade done at that location a couple yrs ago too.
And our govt run pipeline project Transmountain is 200% over budget and 2 yrs behind schedule.
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