Carbon Revolution... turn CO2 into Ethanol [+ other fuels] using fermentation...

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SHV Energy and LanzaTech partner to develop renewable propane solutions
28 March 2022

SHV Energy and LanzaTech are partnering to employ LanzaTech’s Carbon Capture and Transformation (CCT) technology to bring renewable propane and other sustainable fuels to the market via existing and novel pathways. The collaboration will further expand LanzaTech’s existing CCT technology and synthetic biology platform, which transforms waste carbon into sustainable fuels and other materials such as fabrics, packaging, and other products.

Our imaginations are our limitation...

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SHV Energy and LanzaTech partner to develop renewable propane solutions
28 March 2022

SHV Energy and LanzaTech are partnering to employ LanzaTech’s Carbon Capture and Transformation (CCT) technology to bring renewable propane and other sustainable fuels to the market via existing and novel pathways. The collaboration will further expand LanzaTech’s existing CCT technology and synthetic biology platform, which transforms waste carbon into sustainable fuels and other materials such as fabrics, packaging, and other products.

Our imaginations are our limitation...

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2022/03/20220328-lanzatech.html

Ethanol without using corn.. biodiesel [Jetfuel] without using soybeans...

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https://www.greencarcongress.com/202...lanzatech.html

Ethanol without using corn.. biodiesel [Jetfuel] without using soybeans...

"LanzaTech’s first two commercial-scale gas fermentation plants have produced more than 30 million gallons of ethanol—the equivalent of offsetting the release of 150,000 metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Additional plants are under construction globally.

SHV Energy is committed to pioneering new solutions to offer customers an immediate, viable, and cost-effective solution to de-fossilize their off-grid energy needs. Renewable propane (also known as bioLPG) is already available and is enabling many customers around the world, who are currently unable to access the grid, an opportunity to achieve deep de-fossilization goals as they significantly reduce their reliance upon carbon intensive fossil fuels, while offering a unique pathway to affordable zero-emissions transportation."

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"LanzaTech’s first two commercial-scale gas fermentation plants have produced more than 30 million gallons of ethanol—the equivalent of offsetting the release of 150,000 metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Additional plants are under construction globally.

SHV Energy is committed to pioneering new solutions to offer customers an immediate, viable, and cost-effective solution to de-fossilize their off-grid energy needs. Renewable propane (also known as bioLPG) is already available and is enabling many customers around the world, who are currently unable to access the grid, an opportunity to achieve deep de-fossilization goals as they significantly reduce their reliance upon carbon intensive fossil fuels, while offering a unique pathway to affordable zero-emissions transportation."

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/lanzajet-marquis-sustainable-fuels-us/

"This facility will be situated on a 2,500a industrial site near the Illinois River in Marquis Industrial Complex in Hennepin, Illinois.

Benefitting from its strategic location, the production centre is expected to supply green fuel to Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD) and Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW).

LanzaJet CEO Jimmy Samartzis said: “This demonstrates the opportunity for the US to produce meaningful volumes of sustainable aviation fuel at scale, transitioning feedstocks from the production of traditional biofuels into sustainable aviation fuel. SAF from existing sources alone could replace more than 50% of US fossil jet fuel use.

“The key is low carbon intensity, where existing infrastructure is paired with carbon capture and sequestration and renewable energy. Marquis is doing exactly this and makes for a great partnership with LanzaJet.”

Marquis SAF CEO Mark Marquis added: “LanzaJet’s ATJ technology will be fully integrated into our sustainable fuels plant with a focus on producing sustainable aviation fuel and renewable diesel."

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https://www.airport-technology.com/n...able-fuels-us/

"This facility will be situated on a 2,500a industrial site near the Illinois River in Marquis Industrial Complex in Hennepin, Illinois.

Benefitting from its strategic location, the production centre is expected to supply green fuel to Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD) and Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW).

LanzaJet CEO Jimmy Samartzis said: “This demonstrates the opportunity for the US to produce meaningful volumes of sustainable aviation fuel at scale, transitioning feedstocks from the production of traditional biofuels into sustainable aviation fuel. SAF from existing sources alone could replace more than 50% of US fossil jet fuel use.

“The key is low carbon intensity, where existing infrastructure is paired with carbon capture and sequestration and renewable energy. Marquis is doing exactly this and makes for a great partnership with LanzaJet.”

Marquis SAF CEO Mark Marquis added: “LanzaJet’s ATJ technology will be fully integrated into our sustainable fuels plant with a focus on producing sustainable aviation fuel and renewable diesel."

The ban on Internal Combustion Engines by PM Trudeau in 2035 in Canada misses the huge carbon savings that can save Canadians many years and $$$ in becoming Net Zero Carbon based…

Climate change is obviously not controllable… nor are the future actions of humanity… as the Russians /Chinese remind us daily…

The lack of common sense being used by politicians, is annoying and very selfish.

We do live in interesting times!

[TASFarms]

Liquidizing carbon that comes off the fermentation process is going to get pumped down a well. Wouldn’t the carbon work as fertilizer

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Liquidizing carbon that comes off the fermentation process is going to get pumped down a well. Wouldn’t the carbon work as fertilizer

The new fermentation processes can turn CO2 gas from the air (or wherever else) into jet fuel, ethanol or plastics no need to pump it into the ground…

Net zero C fuel.

Nothing bad about internal combustion engines if they are fueled on net zero carbon fuels. Can be energized by nuclear or solar electric sources.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I haven't researched this at all, so I may be completely wrong.
But, to make a hydrocarbon, you need to bond hydrogen and carbon, which means you have to input at least as much energy into making that bond is what you could get when you eventually break that Bond during combustion.
That energy has to come from somewhere.
And the hydrogen had to come from somewhere. And it took a lot of energy to capture and transport the CO2.
So what is the feedstock for the fermentation process? And what is the source of the hydrogen?
I would gladly be proven wrong, but I can't picture how this could be energy neutral in the end.
I am I way off track, and it is worth my time reading through this? Or do the laws of physics and chemistry prevail?

[Guest]

Like the wood pellets are , wink , wink
Or the Chinese panels

[WiltonRanch]

I’m too lazy to research this as generally any of these perpetual motion machines end up disappointing me when I read into them to find my science brain red flags it. Just like local lady on bookface selling pills you put in the gas tank to improve economy or the Russians went to Ukraine to get rid of Nazis and bio labs. See the guys injecting tractor exhaust into the ground are giving er again. Desperate people will cling to all sorts of untrue things if it offers hope.

[wrongway]

so exactly what cattle do...except no tasty beef as a byproduct

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https://www.airport-technology.com/n...able-fuels-us/

"This facility will be situated on a 2,500a industrial site near the Illinois River in Marquis Industrial Complex in Hennepin, Illinois.

Benefitting from its strategic location, the production centre is expected to supply green fuel to Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD) and Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW).

LanzaJet CEO Jimmy Samartzis said: “This demonstrates the opportunity for the US to produce meaningful volumes of sustainable aviation fuel at scale, transitioning feedstocks from the production of traditional biofuels into sustainable aviation fuel. SAF from existing sources alone could replace more than 50% of US fossil jet fuel use.

“The key is low carbon intensity, where existing infrastructure is paired with carbon capture and sequestration and renewable energy. Marquis is doing exactly this and makes for a great partnership with LanzaJet.”

Marquis SAF CEO Mark Marquis added: “LanzaJet’s ATJ technology will be fully integrated into our sustainable fuels plant with a focus on producing sustainable aviation fuel and renewable diesel."

This is going ahead in Chicago, Ohare Airport; the 2500ha site approved, to produce green renewable jet fuel/diesel from carbon, not soybean oil.

If corn is fermented making Ethanol, why not turn CO2 through fermentation into hydrocarbons like syngas which is converted into biodiesel.

Ethanol can be fuel for aircraft as well. Virgin Airlines has already flown actually using this renewable jet fuel… if you watch the video clips.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Here is a reddit thread on this general topic. 2 years old, but the laws of thermodynamics haven't changed much since then.
Many many explanations throughout the thread as to why you cannot get more energy out than you put in during this process
Even if they are using fermentation, the bacteria still need an energy source.

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/i4p4fd/turning_carbon_dioxide_into_liquid_fuel/

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Here is a reddit thread on this general topic. 2 years old, but the laws of thermodynamics haven't changed much since then.
Many many explanations throughout the thread as to why you cannot get more energy out than you put in during this process
Even if they are using fermentation, the bacteria still need an energy source.
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/com...o_liquid_fuel/

Water... H2O... is an integral part of fermentation... has all the hydrogen needed to combine with the Co2 to make the renewable hydrocarbon... it isn't from the fossil fuels[under ground sequestered hydrocarbons]... it is instead recycled from the Co2 air in our atmosphere instead... which is the point isn't it? Net Zero Carbon...

Fossil fuels got their Co2 from the atmosphere in the first place... the balance of Co2[in the air] is at issue.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Water... H2O... is an integral part of fermentation... has all the hydrogen needed to combine with the Co2 to make the renewable hydrocarbon... it isn't from the fossil fuels[under ground sequestered hydrocarbons]... it is instead recycled from the Co2 air in our atmosphere instead... which is the point isn't it? Net Zero Carbon...

Fossil fuels got their Co2 from the atmosphere in the first place... the balance of Co2[in the air] is at issue.

Yes, but it takes energy to liberate the C from the O's, and the 2 H's from the O. to reunite them into a a hydrocarbon, which is in a much higher energy state. Photosynthetic organisms do it using sunlight for the energy source. The schematics they show indicate it is in a fermentation vessel, possibly using heat and pressure. So probably not sunlight. Where does the heat and pressure come from, how much energy is required for that? Or does it require 2500 acres because it is using sunlight?
Even bacteria won't work for free, they need fed.

Then when we combust those hydrocarbons, we only capture 30% of the energy. So for the round trip to be energy neutral, this process needs to be way beyond 100% efficient.