No more cheap reliable coal fired generation in AB.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If you look at it from a physics standpoint a litre of gasoline is 8.9 kWh. So if you have a gasoline vehicle and an EV with equal amounts of energy (1L in the ICE and 8.9 kWh in the EV) which one would travel the most distance?

Volkswagen Jetta 2022 gasser 6L/100km 1L =16.67km
Tesla model 3 standard range 146wh/km = 60.95km

So why would the one that goes less than 1/3 the distance on the same amount of energy be better for the environment?

That would depend on how much energy is inherent in the batteries, the charging stations the transmission the new generation, the recycling of said batteries etc.
I was hoping you might attempt to address the Northwest Territories example, where the CO2 emissions are seven and a half times more for a gas engine than the electrical grid powered by diesel. Does that make any sense at all?

[Sheepwheat]

If you look at it from a physics standpoint a litre of gasoline is 8.9 kWh. So if you have a gasoline vehicle and an EV with equal amounts of energy (1L in the ICE and 8.9 kWh in the EV) which one would travel the most distance?

Volkswagen Jetta 2022 gasser 6L/100km 1L =16.67km
Tesla model 3 standard range 146wh/km = 60.95km

So why would the one that goes less than 1/3 the distance on the same amount of energy be better for the environment?

The electricity for the Tesla came from thin air, correct? It just kind of hatched automatically. Nothing was burned to make the electricity, right? Don’t say solar, because where I live the sun almost never shines. And don’t say wind, it’s the same as the sun.

If you do say solar and wind, tell me how the panels and the single use turbine props were made without fossil fuel.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

That would depend on how much energy is inherent in the batteries, the charging stations the transmission the new generation, the recycling of said batteries etc.
I was hoping you might attempt to address the Northwest Territories example, where the CO2 emissions are seven and a half times more for a gas engine than the electrical grid powered by diesel. Does that make any sense at all?

Oh sorry about that. Here you go…

Electricity Fuel Emissions Source Data:
-Fuel consumption values are sourced from Natural Resources Canada
-1 litre of gasoline emits 2.44kg CO2e
-1 kWh produced by 100% Coal emits 0.909kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Natural Gas emits 0.465kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Renewables emits 0.000kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Biomass emits 1.5kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Diesel Generator emits 0.25kg of CO2e

[shtferbrains]

If you look at it from a physics standpoint a litre of gasoline is 8.9 kWh. So if you have a gasoline vehicle and an EV with equal amounts of energy (1L in the ICE and 8.9 kWh in the EV) which one would travel the most distance?

Volkswagen Jetta 2022 gasser 6L/100km 1L =16.67km
Tesla model 3 standard range 146wh/km = 60.95km

So why would the one that goes less than 1/3 the distance on the same amount of energy be better for the environment?

How many KW to replace the fossil fuels the ICE use in North America?
S/B a simple 2 number calculation for anyone with a basic understanding of physics?
That never included me.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Oh sorry about that. Here you go…

Electricity Fuel Emissions Source Data:
-Fuel consumption values are sourced from Natural Resources Canada
-1 litre of gasoline emits 2.44kg CO2e NOTE: diesel emits 2.64 kg per litre. This is HIGHER than gasoline
-1 kWh produced by 100% Coal emits 0.909kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Natural Gas emits 0.465kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Renewables emits 0.000kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Biomass emits 1.5kg of CO2e
-1kWh produced by 100% Diesel Generator emits 0.25kg of CO2e

Why did you provide the CO2 emissions of gasoline per litre, and diesel per kWh? Impossible to compare.

The CO2 emissions per litre between gas and diesel are almost identical. In fact, Diesel is higher per litre, and a fraction of a precent lower per unit of energy.

The diesel is being burnt in a conventional internal combustion generator. Which is negligibly more efficient than the gasoline engine in the car. Then there are losses through the generator, then losses through the transmission infrastructure, then inefficiencies through charging and discharging, yet somehow at the end of that, it is many times more efficient than burning it directly in the car?

This is the type of stats that should raise red flags for anyone with an iota of common sense.

[Hamloc]

Why did you provide the CO2 emissions of gasoline per litre, and diesel per kWh? Impossible to compare.

The CO2 emissions per litre between gas and diesel are almost identical. In fact, Diesel is higher per litre, and a fraction of a precent lower per unit of energy.

The diesel is being burnt in a conventional internal combustion generator. Which is negligibly more efficient than the gasoline engine in the car. Then there are losses through the generator, then losses through the transmission infrastructure, then inefficiencies through charging and discharging, yet somehow at the end of that, it is many times more efficient than burning it directly in the car?

This is the type of stats that should raise red flags for anyone with an iota of common sense.

Is a diesel electric locomotive an example of where ICE and electric motors compliment each other. Intuitively it seems more complicated to me to have an electric generator run by a diesel motor which then powers electric drive motors but this has been proven efficient in many of the worlds train locomotives.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Why did you provide the CO2 emissions of gasoline per litre, and diesel per kWh? Impossible to compare.

The CO2 emissions per litre between gas and diesel are almost identical. In fact, Diesel is higher per litre, and a fraction of a precent lower per unit of energy.

The diesel is being burnt in a conventional internal combustion generator. Which is negligibly more efficient than the gasoline engine in the car. Then there are losses through the generator, then losses through the transmission infrastructure, then inefficiencies through charging and discharging, yet somehow at the end of that, it is many times more efficient than burning it directly in the car?

This is the type of stats that should raise red flags for anyone with an iota of common sense.

16kWh/100km tesla model 3
6L/100km Vw Jetta
6L x 8.9 kWh = 53.4 kWh/100km

These are highway numbers which favour the ICE because they are more efficient on the highway and EV are more efficient in city driving.

Highway conditions the ICE uses 3.3 times more energy.

Let’s say we are charging the EV with a diesel generator. 16 kWh requires 6.4L of diesel. (0.4L/kwh) So basically a diesel generator is a really bad way to charge an EV. 4 kWh goes in and 1 kWh comes out. 1L of diesel is the equivalent of 10 kWh.
6.4L @ $1.60L = $10.24
16 kWh @ $0.20/kwh = $3.20

So why would you use diesel to power your grid? Remote area with no infrastructure. Field, BC for example runs entirely on a diesel generator.

[Jdhot]

Is it possible that AF4 is a paid professional activist? How can a FARMER have that much time to come up with that much info? IF I am right then the question is who is paying activists like this to stir the pot? Is it possible it is the federal government it is full of activists?
By the way, I have no problem with EV’s or green energy or other new tech. I just don’t want the federal government paying or driving them. Let the free market and their own technological performance drive their adoption.

[ajl]

Yes there are a number of paid social media 'influencers' on this site most of whom I have blocked. They are retired snivil serpents with some sort of ag background. It is hard to imagine that they are so stupid as to promote obvious gubmint lies for free but maybe they are.

[Happytrails]

According to AF4's figures burning a half kilogram of coal produces .9 kg of CO2. Seems farfetched. Me thinks he/her/it is attempting to seed doubt with a blizzard of conflicting data.