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    #31
    Originally posted by Happytrails View Post
    According to AF4's figures burning a half kilogram of coal produces .9 kg of CO2. Seems farfetched. Me thinks he/her/it is attempting to seed doubt with a blizzard of conflicting data.
    1L of gasoline weighs 0.75kg and produces 2.3kg CO2.

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      #32
      Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
      And nature can tell the difference between the CO2 released from coking coal making steel, from the CO2 released from thermal coal making electricity. Only the latter causes catastrophic global warming, of course
      It's the same theory about how burning fossil fuels to power an electric vehicle doesn't release any CO2 as opposed to burning fossil fuel directly in an internal combustion engine.
      When coal is shipped across the ocean to be used to make steel in a country full of environment stewards like China the GHG emissions are calculated at 0. The best part of this green steel is that a significant amount will be shipped back across the Pacific Ocean again to North America.

      Maybe common sense = net zero?

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        #33
        Shouldn't have Alberta and Sask been developing some hydro electric dams like other provinces were in Canada. Do they have any at this time? Do either provinces have nuclear power stations?

        Sask is a importer of Manitoba Hydro which is deemed clean energy. Were the major rivers in Sask unable to be dammed years ago for a renewable electric supply ?

        Obviously Sask doesn't have a big enough electric power source of their own. Or did they just want to use only coal and screw further development.

        I guess those in Sask asking what clean energy electric source they can use to plug in their Tesla, your already buying Manitoba hydro.

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          #34
          Sask has several hydro dams. But try building one now. They’re worse than pipelines to the insane among us.

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            #35
            Originally posted by foragefarmer View Post
            Shouldn't have Alberta and Sask been developing some hydro electric dams like other provinces were in Canada. Do they have any at this time? Do either provinces have nuclear power stations?

            Sask is a importer of Manitoba Hydro which is deemed clean energy. Were the major rivers in Sask unable to be dammed years ago for a renewable electric supply ?

            Obviously Sask doesn't have a big enough electric power source of their own. Or did they just want to use only coal and screw further development.

            I guess those in Sask asking what clean energy electric source they can use to plug in their Tesla, your already buying Manitoba hydro.
            Good luck building one now with environmental regulations and First Nations rights . It would take 10-15 years from paper to ever get one built now and cost overruns would make it not even worth while ? How’s that proposed hydro dam in BC coming along ?

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              #36
              Originally posted by Happytrails View Post
              According to AF4's figures burning a half kilogram of coal produces .9 kg of CO2. Seems farfetched. Me thinks he/her/it is attempting to seed doubt with a blizzard of conflicting data.
              That actually does make sense. There is more mass of CO2 as a byproduct than there is hydrocarbon to start with.
              Combustion liberates the H which weigh very little, then the C is bonded to two Oxygen which came from the air, which are much heavier than the H's.

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                #37
                Forage, you will have to ask Chuck or the other NFU apologists about why we can't build renewable, sustainable hydro electric
                The NFU is very publicly opposed to hydro, as is every other supposedly green environmental group along with indigenous groups. I'm all in favour

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                  Good luck building one now with environmental regulations and First Nations rights . It would take 10-15 years from paper to ever get one built now and cost overruns would make it not even worth while ? How’s that proposed hydro dam in BC coming along ?
                  I don't live in B.C. nor does Manitoba sell them hydro.

                  So what excuses was Sask using 20-30 years ago from building hydro dams? Doesn't northern Sask have some of the largest Uranium deposits in Canada? Why not nuclear power?

                  Sounds to me your governments of past and present were only interested in developing oil and gas all the while happily using coal as the power source. Now the shit hits the fan.

                  I guess you guys have no choice but to defend coal as Sask is backed into a corner and of coarse Moe has to wake up and open his mouth now.

                  And before you all get your panties in a knot I feel oil and gas will always be needed in the future.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by foragefarmer View Post
                    I don't live in B.C. nor does Manitoba sell them hydro.

                    So what excuses was Sask using 20-30 years ago from building hydro dams? Doesn't northern Sask have some of the largest Uranium deposits in Canada? Why not nuclear power?

                    Sounds to me your governments of past and present were only interested in developing oil and gas all the while happily using coal as the power source. Now the shit hits the fan.

                    I guess you guys have no choice but to defend coal as Sask is backed into a corner and of coarse Moe has to wake up and open his mouth now.

                    And before you all get your panties in a knot I feel oil and gas will always be needed in the future.
                    Agree , not defending anything . 20-30 years ago they were not thinking the world will end in 4 years due to climate change ?
                    Yup been saying for years more nuclear should have been looked at .
                    Sask not backed into a corner , don’t take long to throw up a few more Natural gas power plants that work very well . The one here hums right along with low CO2 output to satisfy the climate wingnuts

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                      Agree , not defending anything . 20-30 years ago they were not thinking the world will end in 4 years due to climate change ?
                      Yup been saying for years more nuclear should have been looked at .
                      Sask not backed into a corner , don’t take long to throw up a few more Natural gas power plants that work very well . The one here hums right along with low CO2 output to satisfy the climate wingnuts
                      20 to 30 years ago the ndp were in power. People were leaving in droves. Under a million people in those days.

                      Current govt looking at small reactors. The ndp is against that I imagine. But there is hope as sask has turned a corner from being the socialist utopia of Canada, to the most conservative province as a people, not necessarily including government wise.

                      We certainly have the resources here. I imagine Trudeau will do all he can to stop the nuclear idea, just like he does with any other source of job growth or alternative ideas the west may have. So don’t hold your breath.

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