The bullish case

[Guest]

hopefully everyone smart enough to use bags and not dump grain at these happy hour prices
no matter what any educated feller tells you , you cannot grow grain at those prices with these gouging inputs
there are a lot of production problems in some very big places

[AlbertaFarmer5]

hopefully everyone smart enough to use bags and not dump grain at these happy hour prices
no matter what any educated feller tells you , you cannot grow grain at those prices with these gouging inputs
there are a lot of production problems in some very big places

Yesterday a broker sent me the price of his last sale on feed wheat. I declined, planning to store the remainder into new crop. Today, tentative offer of a full dollar higher.
Buyers have been living hand to mouth, and rightfully so, since every day has been cheaper than the last. But when they do accept that the bottom is behind us, and they return to the market, it could get exciting, even with harvest pressure. There is more than enough to go around in Western Canada, but they still have to bid enough to keep it from being exported.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

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📌Globally, 15% of the ammonia trade remains offline because of the Russia-Ukraine war. The winter heating season — and increased natural gas demand — could extend nitrogen’s price spike

There often seems to be a correlation between higher grain prices resulting in higher fertilizer prices. And we could argue all day long about if that is justified, or just price gouging.
But the opposite correlation, with higher fertilizer prices eventually leading to higher grain prices, cannot be denied, at least in this environment. In various parts of the world, these prices are prohibitive and fertilizer is not being applied. The supply really does not exist to cover all the acres at the rates that were being used two years ago. Musical chairs, and there aren't enough chairs. It may not be the immediate correlation we see when it's the other way around, but this one is for real.

[WiltonRanch]

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📌Globally, 15% of the ammonia trade remains offline because of the Russia-Ukraine war. The winter heating season — and increased natural gas demand — could extend nitrogen’s price spike

There often seems to be a correlation between higher grain prices resulting in higher fertilizer prices. And we could argue all day long about if that is justified, or just price gouging.
But the opposite correlation, with higher fertilizer prices eventually leading to higher grain prices, cannot be denied, at least in this environment. In various parts of the world, these prices are prohibitive and fertilizer is not being applied. The supply really does not exist to cover all the acres at the rates that were being used two years ago. Musical chairs, and there aren't enough chairs. It may not be the immediate correlation we see when it's the other way around, but this one is for real.

How much of the fertilizer used in places like India is subsidized by the government to secure food supply? China I think there is some sort of price controls as well but they make all their own from coal, and they have a good supply of phos. India from what I read uses lots of fertilizer as their soils are pooped from thousands of years of farming. Like you stated there will be poorer countries that will cut back or use none and they don’t have the luxury of new rich soil that produces much seeded neat.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-corn-planting-stalled-great-drought-fears-rise-2022-09-15/
Driest start to planting in 30 years in Argentina. Breaking records going back to the 30s. Not quite clear how much of recent strength in prices was to do with Argentina conditions, or if that is yet to come?