Insanity

[sawfly1]

And your solution Tom is to hand over to the top 1/10 of 1 percent absolutely
everything. ( They only own 60% of the world's wealth already.)
.banking,all resources , Even our sovereignty thru free trade agreements that are written for that 1/10%
And in Canada eventually our heathcare system. If Pierre gets in.
Your solution is do more of what has not worked.
All the things you on the right espoused , free capitalists. No bank regulation and globalisation. Put us here.
So we end up needing a massive socialist bailouts for the banks and the super rich.

Just like your seed ownership laws , written for the companies not the producers.

Where are all these socialist govt.s
You blame? What Norway . They have money in the bank. Own their resources,Never accepted your seed laws either.
Coincidence?

Both major parties in the US and Canada
Cater to the same people. Harper gifted atomic energy of Canada to SNC lavilan and Trudeau excused their bribes.who is worse?

The big money connections of the Saudis and others, Irving's etc. run the Dems. Republicans ,Conservatives and Liberals.

Face it if the Irving's wanted western Canadian oil ,there would be a pipeline already.

But you blame boogeyman socialists that are not to blame for any of it, because they are not in govt.anyway

[TOM4CWB]

And your solution Tom is to hand over to the top 1/10 of 1 percent absolutely
everything. ( They only own 60% of the world's wealth already.)
.banking,all resources , Even our sovereignty thru free trade agreements that are written for that 1/10%
And in Canada eventually our heathcare system. If Pierre gets in.
Your solution is do more of what has not worked.
All the things you on the right espoused , free capitalists. No bank regulation and globalisation. Put us here.
So we end up needing a massive socialist bailouts for the banks and the super rich.

Just like your seed ownership laws , written for the companies not the producers.

Where are all these socialist govt.s
You blame? What Norway . They have money in the bank. Own their resources,Never accepted your seed laws either.
Coincidence?

Both major parties in the US and Canada
Cater to the same people. Harper gifted atomic energy of Canada to SNC lavilan and Trudeau excused their bribes.who is worse?

The big money connections of the Saudis and others, Irving's etc. run the Dems. Republicans ,Conservatives and Liberals.

Face it if the Irving's wanted western Canadian oil ,there would be a pipeline already.

But you blame boogeyman socialists that are not to blame for any of it, because they are not in govt.anyway

Your concept of reality… who to blame… is only surpassed by your arrogance.

Biden is a socialist, Trudeau is a Socialist, Freeland is a Socialist… Putin and Russia are Communist China is Communist… what in the end is ultimately the difference?

Loving God is wrapped up in: Do unto others as you would have them do unto yourself… respect the rights of each other to have prosperity and property, use compassion and love when working with those down and out…

And leave vengeance and vengeful judgement to God as God alone understands the heart and soul of each person.

Blessings and Salutations



The beautiful creation God has blessed us with… will only be surpassed by the glorious future we have in the new heavens and earth… ruled by King Jesus!!!

The whole creation is groaning in anticipation of the wonderful future God has planned for those who humble themselves and believe in the mercy and forgiveness we must weave in to our perspective and lives!

Cheers

[sawfly1]

Well communism seems to work for the hutterites . That's about the only place.
That is not an answer.

At some point as robots/tech replaces 1/2
The work force .
Whom will reap the benefits ?
Who ever owns the technology?
Futher concentration of wealth.

That would Wipe out the middle class.
What good is a poor middle class?
Who could buy stuff?

Somewhere you will have to think of spreading the Benifit around to the masses. Guess what that is called?

Conservatives are not gonna fix nothing.
Trudeau is an ass too. I know.

Tom and Pierre and Harper gave away your right to own a seed, last time they were in power. The farmers and consumers as a whole get little or no benefit. Only Made the rich richer and the poor , more poor.
A 50$ an acre tax on consumers going right to the top 1/10 .%
That kind of help we can do without.
Your not helping.

What's next get rid of Medicare? So your buddy's can pocket trillions?
Socialism can be bad alright , if the only ones getting it are the super rich

[sawfly1]

Tom . Biden is no more socialist than you are. Taxpayers $ s going to corporations to make semi conductors
in the US. No universal Healthcare but money for them.
Maybe Trudeau believes on universal heathcare. Does that make every conservative that believes in it a socialist too?
Trudeau and Freeland blocking N imports to enrich Nutrien. It worked.
Sounds just like you and Harper banning seed ownership to enrich seed companies.

[WiltonRanch]

Well communism seems to work for the hutterites . That's about the only place.
That is not an answer.

At some point as robots/tech replaces 1/2
The work force .
Whom will reap the benefits ?
Who ever owns the technology?
Futher concentration of wealth.

That would Wipe out the middle class.
What good is a poor middle class?
Who could buy stuff?

Somewhere you will have to think of spreading the Benifit around to the masses. Guess what that is called?

Conservatives are not gonna fix nothing.
Trudeau is an ass too. I know.

Tom and Pierre and Harper gave away your right to own a seed, last time they were in power. The farmers and consumers as a whole get little or no benefit. Only Made the rich richer and the poor , more poor.
A 50$ an acre tax on consumers going right to the top 1/10 .%
That kind of help we can do without.
Your not helping.

What's next get rid of Medicare? So your buddy's can pocket trillions?
Socialism can be bad alright , if the only ones getting it are the super rich

Good point. Chinas foothold on manufacturing is coming to an end to be replaced by automated domestic manufacturing. China will still make stuff but workforce is aging out too. Corporations hold a gun to the heads of governments with the fear they’ll move out for fear of higher tax. China was giving corps tax breaks in exchange for intellectual property and employment for the masses. Problem is China has zilch for revenue vs gdp compared to rest of high gdp nations. It’s not sustainable nor is taxing the piss out of middle class and small business while letting corps get away and having government redistribute money back to the people. I don’t know what the magic bullet but probably a balanced pragmatic approach is the next best thing. Far as people being put out of work by automation I think is a benefit as the work force is shrinking as we age out and don’t replace ourselves. I tell my kids to get on the tech thing no matter what industry they choose to become involved with. Even the automation seen in the oilfield the last 8 years is unprecedented. They’re cutting up the old rigs in favour of newer ones which require less manpower. Wells with remote monitoring so an operator can handle 4 times the wells my grandfather pumped in the 60’s. In the next 50 years demand for food worldwide will shrink as old people eat less. It’s just geopolitics and desertification will shift production demand to stable and fertile regions.

[Landdownunder]

Yep.

[TOM4CWB]

Tom . Biden is no more socialist than you are. Taxpayers $ s going to corporations to make semi conductors
in the US. No universal Healthcare but money for them.
Maybe Trudeau believes on universal heathcare. Does that make every conservative that believes in it a socialist too?
Trudeau and Freeland blocking N imports to enrich Nutrien. It worked.
Sounds just like you and Harper banning seed ownership to enrich seed companies.

Apparently your ‘Nirvana’ doesn’t exist on our earth… Our purpose and prosperity… hope and happiness… are all in our spirits and souls.

Sad that our wonderful planet that God created for our pleasure and enjoyment… must be filled with fear and doomsday climate change manipulation that screams anti-Christ denial of the origin of life, freedom, through mercy, grace, and faith in our future through the Love of Jesus.

Climate change, evolution, the unending obsession to computerize everything… denies the faith hope and spiritual/ consciousness that is the true reason for humanity and our existence.

There is no hope… if we have no creative purpose or conscious spiritual reason to exist…

If being a drone in a purposeless universe is freedom… respectfully I believe evil has deceived humanity!!!

Blessings and Salutations

[WiltonRanch]

Apparently your ‘Nirvana’ doesn’t exist on our earth… Our purpose and prosperity… hope and happiness… are all in our spirits and souls.

Sad that our wonderful planet that God created for our pleasure and enjoyment… must be filled with fear and doomsday climate change manipulation that screams anti-Christ denial of the origin of life, freedom, through mercy, grace, and faith in our future through the Love of Jesus.

Climate change, evolution, the unending obsession to computerize everything… denies the faith hope and spiritual/ consciousness that is the true reason for humanity and our existence.

There is no hope… if we have no creative purpose or conscious spiritual reason to exist…

If being a drone in a purposeless universe is freedom… respectfully I believe evil has deceived humanity!!!

Blessings and Salutations

I’m farthest from being a bible puncher but totally agree with this. Part of being human. Nilhists can screw themselves into the nothingness they believe in.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good point. Chinas foothold on manufacturing is coming to an end to be replaced by automated domestic manufacturing. China will still make stuff but workforce is aging out too. Corporations hold a gun to the heads of governments with the fear they’ll move out for fear of higher tax. China was giving corps tax breaks in exchange for intellectual property and employment for the masses. Problem is China has zilch for revenue vs gdp compared to rest of high gdp nations. It’s not sustainable nor is taxing the piss out of middle class and small business while letting corps get away and having government redistribute money back to the people. I don’t know what the magic bullet but probably a balanced pragmatic approach is the next best thing. Far as people being put out of work by automation I think is a benefit as the work force is shrinking as we age out and don’t replace ourselves. I tell my kids to get on the tech thing no matter what industry they choose to become involved with. Even the automation seen in the oilfield the last 8 years is unprecedented. They’re cutting up the old rigs in favour of newer ones which require less manpower. Wells with remote monitoring so an operator can handle 4 times the wells my grandfather pumped in the 60’s. In the next 50 years demand for food worldwide will shrink as old people eat less. It’s just geopolitics and desertification will shift production demand to stable and fertile regions.

Now here is someone who gets it. I try hard to sympathize with sawfly's point of view, he is after all one of the most reasonable posters on the left end of the spectrum on this site.but I think his political ideologies blind him to the realities of the world we live in today.

[jazz]

I think sawfly needs some assistance with definitions.

Social programs are different than socialism. Social programs are a wealth distribution that we can all benefit from, such as health care, or welfare or EI etc.

Socialism is robbing from one group who is more productive and handing it out to others who arent, example Carbon tax.

And marxism is taking from one group to give to another and then destroying their livelihood in the process ex climate change or covid.