Insanity

[sawfly1]

Well communism seems to work for the hutterites . That's about the only place.
That is not an answer.

At some point as robots/tech replaces 1/2
The work force .
Whom will reap the benefits ?
Who ever owns the technology?
Futher concentration of wealth.

That would Wipe out the middle class.
What good is a poor middle class?
Who could buy stuff?

Somewhere you will have to think of spreading the Benifit around to the masses. Guess what that is called?

Conservatives are not gonna fix nothing.
Trudeau is an ass too. I know.

Tom and Pierre and Harper gave away your right to own a seed, last time they were in power. The farmers and consumers as a whole get little or no benefit. Only Made the rich richer and the poor , more poor.
A 50$ an acre tax on consumers going right to the top 1/10 .%
That kind of help we can do without.
Your not helping.

What's next get rid of Medicare? So your buddy's can pocket trillions?
Socialism can be bad alright , if the only ones getting it are the super rich

[sawfly1]

Tom . Biden is no more socialist than you are. Taxpayers $ s going to corporations to make semi conductors
in the US. No universal Healthcare but money for them.
Maybe Trudeau believes on universal heathcare. Does that make every conservative that believes in it a socialist too?
Trudeau and Freeland blocking N imports to enrich Nutrien. It worked.
Sounds just like you and Harper banning seed ownership to enrich seed companies.

[WiltonRanch]

Well communism seems to work for the hutterites . That's about the only place.
That is not an answer.

At some point as robots/tech replaces 1/2
The work force .
Whom will reap the benefits ?
Who ever owns the technology?
Futher concentration of wealth.

That would Wipe out the middle class.
What good is a poor middle class?
Who could buy stuff?

Somewhere you will have to think of spreading the Benifit around to the masses. Guess what that is called?

Conservatives are not gonna fix nothing.
Trudeau is an ass too. I know.

Tom and Pierre and Harper gave away your right to own a seed, last time they were in power. The farmers and consumers as a whole get little or no benefit. Only Made the rich richer and the poor , more poor.
A 50$ an acre tax on consumers going right to the top 1/10 .%
That kind of help we can do without.
Your not helping.

What's next get rid of Medicare? So your buddy's can pocket trillions?
Socialism can be bad alright , if the only ones getting it are the super rich

Good point. Chinas foothold on manufacturing is coming to an end to be replaced by automated domestic manufacturing. China will still make stuff but workforce is aging out too. Corporations hold a gun to the heads of governments with the fear they’ll move out for fear of higher tax. China was giving corps tax breaks in exchange for intellectual property and employment for the masses. Problem is China has zilch for revenue vs gdp compared to rest of high gdp nations. It’s not sustainable nor is taxing the piss out of middle class and small business while letting corps get away and having government redistribute money back to the people. I don’t know what the magic bullet but probably a balanced pragmatic approach is the next best thing. Far as people being put out of work by automation I think is a benefit as the work force is shrinking as we age out and don’t replace ourselves. I tell my kids to get on the tech thing no matter what industry they choose to become involved with. Even the automation seen in the oilfield the last 8 years is unprecedented. They’re cutting up the old rigs in favour of newer ones which require less manpower. Wells with remote monitoring so an operator can handle 4 times the wells my grandfather pumped in the 60’s. In the next 50 years demand for food worldwide will shrink as old people eat less. It’s just geopolitics and desertification will shift production demand to stable and fertile regions.

[Landdownunder]

Yep.

[TOM4CWB]

Tom . Biden is no more socialist than you are. Taxpayers $ s going to corporations to make semi conductors
in the US. No universal Healthcare but money for them.
Maybe Trudeau believes on universal heathcare. Does that make every conservative that believes in it a socialist too?
Trudeau and Freeland blocking N imports to enrich Nutrien. It worked.
Sounds just like you and Harper banning seed ownership to enrich seed companies.

Apparently your ‘Nirvana’ doesn’t exist on our earth… Our purpose and prosperity… hope and happiness… are all in our spirits and souls.

Sad that our wonderful planet that God created for our pleasure and enjoyment… must be filled with fear and doomsday climate change manipulation that screams anti-Christ denial of the origin of life, freedom, through mercy, grace, and faith in our future through the Love of Jesus.

Climate change, evolution, the unending obsession to computerize everything… denies the faith hope and spiritual/ consciousness that is the true reason for humanity and our existence.

There is no hope… if we have no creative purpose or conscious spiritual reason to exist…

If being a drone in a purposeless universe is freedom… respectfully I believe evil has deceived humanity!!!

Blessings and Salutations

[WiltonRanch]

Apparently your ‘Nirvana’ doesn’t exist on our earth… Our purpose and prosperity… hope and happiness… are all in our spirits and souls.

Sad that our wonderful planet that God created for our pleasure and enjoyment… must be filled with fear and doomsday climate change manipulation that screams anti-Christ denial of the origin of life, freedom, through mercy, grace, and faith in our future through the Love of Jesus.

Climate change, evolution, the unending obsession to computerize everything… denies the faith hope and spiritual/ consciousness that is the true reason for humanity and our existence.

There is no hope… if we have no creative purpose or conscious spiritual reason to exist…

If being a drone in a purposeless universe is freedom… respectfully I believe evil has deceived humanity!!!

Blessings and Salutations

I’m farthest from being a bible puncher but totally agree with this. Part of being human. Nilhists can screw themselves into the nothingness they believe in.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good point. Chinas foothold on manufacturing is coming to an end to be replaced by automated domestic manufacturing. China will still make stuff but workforce is aging out too. Corporations hold a gun to the heads of governments with the fear they’ll move out for fear of higher tax. China was giving corps tax breaks in exchange for intellectual property and employment for the masses. Problem is China has zilch for revenue vs gdp compared to rest of high gdp nations. It’s not sustainable nor is taxing the piss out of middle class and small business while letting corps get away and having government redistribute money back to the people. I don’t know what the magic bullet but probably a balanced pragmatic approach is the next best thing. Far as people being put out of work by automation I think is a benefit as the work force is shrinking as we age out and don’t replace ourselves. I tell my kids to get on the tech thing no matter what industry they choose to become involved with. Even the automation seen in the oilfield the last 8 years is unprecedented. They’re cutting up the old rigs in favour of newer ones which require less manpower. Wells with remote monitoring so an operator can handle 4 times the wells my grandfather pumped in the 60’s. In the next 50 years demand for food worldwide will shrink as old people eat less. It’s just geopolitics and desertification will shift production demand to stable and fertile regions.

Now here is someone who gets it. I try hard to sympathize with sawfly's point of view, he is after all one of the most reasonable posters on the left end of the spectrum on this site.but I think his political ideologies blind him to the realities of the world we live in today.

[jazz]

I think sawfly needs some assistance with definitions.

Social programs are different than socialism. Social programs are a wealth distribution that we can all benefit from, such as health care, or welfare or EI etc.

Socialism is robbing from one group who is more productive and handing it out to others who arent, example Carbon tax.

And marxism is taking from one group to give to another and then destroying their livelihood in the process ex climate change or covid.

[agstar77]

I think sawfly needs some assistance with definitions.

Social programs are different than socialism. Social programs are a wealth distribution that we can all benefit from, such as health care, or welfare or EI etc.

Socialism is robbing from one group who is more productive and handing it out to others who arent, example Carbon tax.

And marxism is taking from one group to give to another and then destroying their livelihood in the process ex climate change or covid.

You mean Marx was into climate change and covid. Wow really ahead of his time L.O.l. Any more dumb statements?

[blueversi]

You mean Marx was into climate change and covid. Wow really ahead of his time L.O.l. Any more dumb statements?

Ex is short for example just so you know. He was giving examples of current Marxist pet projects there IQ77.

[jazz]

You mean Marx was into climate change and covid. Wow really ahead of his time L.O.l. Any more dumb statements?

Guess I have to give a more relevant example for you. How about CWB and the NEP. Close to Marxism as you can get.

Marxists are always looking for some thing to bring in their centrally planned utopia. That’s why they drool over climate change and covid mandates.

[sawfly1]

Tom . I do not know what brought on the sermon. And just to let you know , that kind of stuff is wasted on me anyway.
Not one of the flock , so to speak.
I got you had no comeback as soon as you went there.

And jazz , you can't change the definition of things just to suit your political stripe.
Universal health care is socialist.
Ask any American

It's like the American farm programs.
Talk about a redistribution of other people's money. But it us only socialism if someone else benefits.