Insanity

[jensend]

As soon as you have public roads or fire departments or police forces or a publicly funded military you have socialism. It's called a mixed economy. Try to find a country that doesn't have a mixed economy.

[WiltonRanch]

Tom . I do not know what brought on the sermon. And just to let you know , that kind of stuff is wasted on me anyway.
Not one of the flock , so to speak.
I got you had no comeback as soon as you went there.

And jazz , you can't change the definition of things just to suit your political stripe.
Universal health care is socialist.
Ask any American

It's like the American farm programs.
Talk about a redistribution of other people's money. But it us only socialism if someone else benefits.

You bet social programs and money redistribution are socialist. Heck all out social programs were resultant of efforts by the Progressives and later ccf. It is a balancing act though as to how much involvement the government should have in our economy and daily lives before it is detrimental as being laissez faire. We can all agree we wouldn’t want it like the 1800’s but big government or big businesses calling all the shots is not good. What seems apparent now is both are calling the shots at the same time. Entrepreneurship and an environment which curries opportunities for small businesses and the individual for upward mobility is what makes a democracy whole. Once you create an environment that quashes that spirit your country is in decline.

[furrowtickler]

You bet social programs and money redistribution are socialist. Heck all out social programs were resultant of efforts by the Progressives and later ccf. It is a balancing act though as to how much involvement the government should have in our economy and daily lives before it is detrimental as being laissez faire. We can all agree we wouldn’t want it like the 1800’s but big government or big businesses calling all the shots is not good. What seems apparent now is both are calling the shots at the same time. Entrepreneurship and an environment which curries opportunities for small businesses and the individual for upward mobility is what makes a democracy whole. Once you create an environment that quashes that spirit your country is in decline.

Very well said and that’s the path we are on currently and fast

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Very well said and that’s the path we are on currently and fast

Not that anyone actually listens to me, but one conundrum I think about a lot, is what economic system and taxation system would work best to eliminate the above mentioned problems.
To somehow ensure equality of opportunity, while accepting that equality of outcome is impossible. Something that avoids concentration of wealth down through generations of dynasties, without destroying the incentive of the first end of each successive generation.
Fund social programs that are adequate to keep people from ending up destitute, without destroying the incentive to be productive.
Democratic decision-making, without the inevitable decline into buying votes with other people's money.
A tax structure which encourages entrepreneurship and small businesses without devolving into crony capitalism, and which doesn't unjustly punish those who are exceptionally ambitious and innovative and grow into large businesses.

Making political terms long enough that they can actually Bear the fruit of their positive policy choices, instead of being punished for sound economic policies which result in short-term pain for long-term gain. Without simultaneously resulting in the inevitable corruption from being in office too long.

The ability to use debt and interest rates and taxes as a tool to encourage Capital to go into productive assets, and discourage it from creating bubbles in unproductive assets.
Somehow encourage personal responsibility at all levels. But still have the safety net to catch those who fall through the cracks.

On the economic end, I think most of those goals could be accomplished with targeted flexible consumption based taxes along with estate taxes and inheritance taxes as opposed to blanket income taxes and corporate taxes. And otherwise getting government out of the business of business.

Fixing the political system of course, is not nearly as simple.

[jazz]

As soon as you have public roads or fire departments or police forces or a publicly funded military you have socialism. It's called a mixed economy. Try to find a country that doesn't have a mixed economy.

My roads and rail arent socialist. They have universal access so anyone can use them. Thats a social program.

Fire, police and military protect all canadians rich and poor.

But did every person in Canada get the same climate action rebate.

See the difference. Govt picking winners and punishing losers with our tax money and regulations. Thats some straight up marxist BS.

[dmlfarmer]

You bet social programs and money redistribution are socialist. Heck all out social programs were resultant of efforts by the Progressives and later ccf. It is a balancing act though as to how much involvement the government should have in our economy and daily lives before it is detrimental as being laissez faire. We can all agree we wouldn’t want it like the 1800’s but big government or big businesses calling all the shots is not good. What seems apparent now is both are calling the shots at the same time. Entrepreneurship and an environment which curries opportunities for small businesses and the individual for upward mobility is what makes a democracy whole. Once you create an environment that quashes that spirit your country is in decline.

Big business and government are not competing for control, they are collaborating! Who has the governments ear, the average Canadian or big business and their paid lobbyists? And history shows right wing governments are just as bad at catering to big business as left wing governments if not more so

[TOM4CWB]

The theory that windmills, solar panels, and battery powered transportation will work and 'save' the climate is obviously no more 'environmentally sustainable' than the carbon based fuel energy that supplies 95% of energy consumption now. Any rational person can deduce this.

Nuclear power, hydro, biofuels, geothermal, all have logical long term applications, electrification of energy through a central grid... has huge risks when storms take out massive areas... that will then be 10x more vulnerable to electrical energy infrastructure destruction vulnerability

... not to mention solar storms that can wipe out a complete electrical grids... then no consideration of the destruction of global satellite and computer systems.

The new 'green deal'... won't have any effect on storm frequency or severity, droughts, floods, only make us 10x more vulnerable to catastrophic failures and disasters if we implement the computerization and electrification of civilization that is being suggested as needed by Biden, Trudeau, the EU and IPCC/UN, and the WEF.

The exponential increase in humanities evil... is primarily responsible for the destabilization of our climate and geological earth systems... the denial of the creation by the creator of this universe, the stupidity of humans... to believe chaos created this unbelievably complex wonderful universe...

God has/will let evil go so far... then as Revelation specifies... the chaos will be stopped.

How each of us handles these above risks on our farms... is a monumental task... as obvious volatility and destabilization of historic management systems try to adapt to these unprecedented yet totally predictable... for those who study and understand the human instruction manual and listen to the great universe engineer Jesus of Nazareth.

Blessings and Salutations! Commodity markets down tonight... the Saudi's made nearly 50$B this last quarter... with the short Natural Gas... the EU will have to switch back to oil to make it through winter... so don't expect oil to fall apart any time soon... major volitility!

[shtferbrains]

Big business and government are not competing for control, they are collaborating! Who has the governments ear, the average Canadian or big business and their paid lobbyists? And history shows right wing governments are just as bad at catering to big business as left wing governments if not more so

What is the current definition of catering?

I don't see any sign of catering to any form of fosil fuel expansion from this government.
Please don't refer to TMX.

The world needs oil and gas but must get it from non participant to any climate accords.
The it apparently qualifies as no trailing emissions.
But then we have a part time high school teacher as a PM and a journalist as a head of our financial future.
What could go wrong?
I guess maybe appointing a GreenPeace activist to Energy might qualify as insanity.

[TOM4CWB]

What could possibly go wrong?




If this were going to hit us, do you think that they would tell us?

Would sure reck all their Climate Change doomsday predictions!

Cheers

[foragefarmer]

Stalin called farmers "the enemy of the people". By expropriating them the state took control of the food production. Then 7 million Russians starved to death. Now 100 years later the war on Farmers has begun again.

It was 7 million Ukrainians Stalin starved in the 1930's not Russians, but you already knew that JOHNGALT.

Ya, us Canadian farmers and our families are starving to death and having our land taken from us by force, quite the comparison to the Ukrainian Holodomor.

Why would you ever drift from being twisted!

[biglentil]

It was 7 million Ukrainians Stalin starved in the 1930's not Russians, but you already knew that JOHNGALT.

Ya, us Canadian farmers and our families are starving to death and having our land taken from us by force, quite the comparison to the Ukrainian Holodomor.

Why would you ever drift from being twisted!

Who is John Galt?

[biglentil]

Why is the UN calling for farmers " to do more with less" while at the same time recognizing that more then 1 billion could starve in the coming few years? Well here is a hint posted on UN's own website:


From the UN: The Benefits of World Hunger
BY JAYBIRD · JULY 6, 2022

From the UN.org website:

We sometimes talk about hunger in the world as if it were a scourge that all of us want to see abolished, viewing it as comparable with the plague or aids. But that naïve view prevents us from coming to grips with what causes and sustains hunger. Hunger has great positive value to many people. Indeed, it is fundamental to the working of the world’s economy. Hungry people are the most productive people, especially where there is a need for manual labour.

We in developed countries sometimes see poor people by the roadside holding up signs saying “Will Work for Food”. Actually, most people work for food. It is mainly because people need food to survive that they work so hard either in producing food for themselves in subsistence-level production, or by selling their services to others in exchange for money. How many of us would sell our services if it were not for the threat of hunger?

More importantly, how many of us would sell our services so cheaply if it were not for the threat of hunger? When we sell our services cheaply, we enrich others, those who own the factories, the machines and the lands, and ultimately own the people who work for them. For those who depend on the availability of cheap labour, hunger is the foundation of their wealth.

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