Crop Share vs Cash Rent

[Guest]

we use a blend of 130-35-0-36
here are fixed costs at todays prices;
N-$152
phos-44
sulphur with floater-54
fuel-26
liberty , 3 lt , 2 apps, -35
centurion-5
roundup pre burn -8
roundup post harvest or desiccate -9
fungi-21
seed-65
rent or own land use cost $80
total $499/ac
of course still need some iron , maybe a little $ for wages, repairs , etc.
machinery cost could easily add $150-$200/ac
she's a *** freight train heading for the mountain and gaining speed
guys need to wake to fu k up
feel free to add what i have forgot , some need saskatchewan (highest price in the world) potash as well, after it takes an imaginary trip to the gulf of mexico and back

[furrowtickler]

Still waiting for deflation in ag

[AlbertaFarmer5]

we use a blend of 130-35-0-36
here are fixed costs at todays prices;
N-$152
phos-44
sulphur with floater-54
fuel-26
liberty , 3 lt , 2 apps, -35
centurion-5
roundup pre burn -8
roundup post harvest or desiccate -9
fungi-21
seed-65
rent or own land use cost $80
total $499/ac
of course still need some iron , maybe a little $ for wages, repairs , etc.
machinery cost could easily add $150-$200/ac
she's a *** freight train heading for the mountain and gaining speed
guys need to wake to fu k up
feel free to add what i have forgot , some need saskatchewan (highest price in the world) potash as well, after it takes an imaginary trip to the gulf of mexico and back

What else did you forget?

I heard rents closer to highway two in central AB up to $150.

Crop Insurance. Out here in the hail belt, I'm hearing more people carrying multiple hail policies, that adds up.

Multiple insecticide applications for flea beetles this year for many.

Could easily spend more than $65 per acre on seed at 5 lbs.

Drying, storage costs. Drying was nearly free most places this year, but storage costs are up a lot.

Interest costs on the inputs, I would think for most, that would suddenly become a significant expense at these rates.

But using your numbers, and assuming the $200 figure would be all inclusive of equipment, wages, repairs, fuel etc. That would take 35 bushels to break even at todays prices.

Last years Canada wide average was 25 bushels per acre. Could happen again. I believe many areas are in worse shape now than in fall of 2020?

2022 supposedly 39.7. Leaving a profit of $94. Which sounds good, except it is only 12% margin. Not much room for something to go wrong. Especially during a time when markets can swing that far in a matter of days, panic sell at the wrong time could wipe that out in a hurry.

[foragefarmer]

we use a blend of 130-35-0-36
here are fixed costs at todays prices;
N-$152
phos-44
sulphur with floater-54
fuel-26
liberty , 3 lt , 2 apps, -35
centurion-5
roundup pre burn -8
roundup post harvest or desiccate -9
fungi-21
seed-65
rent or own land use cost $80
total $499/ac
of course still need some iron , maybe a little $ for wages, repairs , etc.
machinery cost could easily add $150-$200/ac
she's a *** freight train heading for the mountain and gaining speed
guys need to wake to fu k up
feel free to add what i have forgot , some need saskatchewan (highest price in the world) potash as well, after it takes an imaginary trip to the gulf of mexico and back

Sure glad I don't grow that shit.

But, it still adds up for me very quickly.

Not cheap this High Stakes Poker game we play, but we'll all be willing to be dealt a hand this spring.

[fcr]

CSCO Seed tru Cargill is 116.00/ac ( treated) for next year

[jazz]

Canola acres are not going to go up. There are tons of guys who were getting away with growing a 25 bu crop on marginal land after lentils or peas and $500 urea. Those days are over.

[hedgehog]

Here in scotland, contract farming has taken over.
Its a form of share cropping which allows landlord to claim the £80 pr acre subsidy and get paid to plant trees etc
Contractor does all work and gets a profit share if there is one.
I had a rented farm since 93, fenced it, drained it and built a 27,000 sq ft grainstore
I got chucked out in 2015 and my former friend and neighbour contract farms it along with a couple of million of new iron

[furrowtickler]

All our forefathers left European countries because of this , now some here are cheerleaders for the WEF policy under the scheme of climate change for wealth redistribution among everyone but the very elite that are pushing this Ponzi scheme .

[blackpowder]

Cash rent landlords don't care what you spend on inputs or Iron

And neither does anyone else FYI.

[blackpowder]

Here in scotland, contract farming has taken over.
Its a form of share cropping which allows landlord to claim the £80 pr acre subsidy and get paid to plant trees etc
Contractor does all work and gets a profit share if there is one.
I had a rented farm since 93, fenced it, drained it and built a 27,000 sq ft grainstore
I got chucked out in 2015 and my former friend and neighbour contract farms it along with a couple of million of new iron

Kinda wish there was a sad button as well as a like button. Or a smelly coil button. Feel ya bro.