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    #13
    Ugh. 10" of snow here overnight. SW Peace Country. Lots of wind too. Too soon for winter in my mind.

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      #14
      The dugouts froze up fast here. A bit of a panic to get the cows away from them. Worst thing ever - animals through the ice.

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        #15
        My cows have used snow as a water source for 60 years on my farm. Works just fine as long as its not crusted too thick.

        Cows graze different areas if they don’t have to keep walking back to the same area to drink.

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          #16
          Originally posted by woodland View Post
          Gross out west as well. Perfect day for the pressure switch to die in the water system 12 miles from home and to have electrical connections corrode up and fail in a different waterer. Then the boiler wasn’t working in the shop as the condensate drain line was plugged with dead flies.

          Now that’s out of the way feeding can begin………….. hopefully no more surprises or headaches. 🍀
          you're still young lol
          just wait , its gets less and less fun every year
          but seriously , you guys with animals are the salt of the earth

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            #17
            Originally posted by TOM4CWB View Post
            Cattle need water ; as the heat loss saps too much of their energy melting the snow when they ingest it. Hard on horses too…
            That's debateable Tom. When a cow drinks 50 lbs of water she has to warm it up to body temperature. I've watched cows grazing snow. They only have to melt it a mouthfull at a time.
            Last edited by Happytrails; Nov 6, 2022, 21:31.

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              #18
              Originally posted by Happytrails View Post
              That's debateable Tom. When a cow drinks 50 lbs of water she has to warm it up to body temperature. I've

              watched cows grazing snow. They only have to melt it a mouthfull at a time.
              When animals melt snow, energy is expended to melt that snow.

              Feeding efficiency, rate of gain, maintenance of body weight… are better for animals.

              Feed is expensive. Burning calories to melt snow and bring the water to body temperature… costs calories.

              The colder temperatures are, the higher the energy requirement.

              Obviously, less stress is better.

              Cheers

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                #19
                The wild ruminants and our sheep are bred in fall and are building babies through winter without liquid water. That’s why I asked about cattle, because the sheep maintain condition just fine. We’ve had horses for twenty four years and they have never had winter water.

                I have read a lot of studies done on winter watering for livestock and most say it’s fine, but not lots of people do it in practice.

                Haha, even a few pigs we over wintered last year, stopped drinking water suddenly one day. Bang, and they quit. I was worried about them. I would a carry them water, and they refused it. I thought there was something wrong with them. I finally gave up because it’s no point to carry water two hundred yards, and have it never consumed.

                Those hogs grew all through winter, and never needed any liquid water. It was their choice, not mine. I never would have believed it…

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                  #20
                  Originally posted by caseih View Post
                  you're still young lol
                  just wait , its gets less and less fun every year
                  but seriously , you guys with animals are the salt of the earth
                  I despise winter…………….. actually it’s just the cold, snowy, windy, dark all the time part of it that I don’t like. Otherwise it’s great😎



                  The cows move much easier than in July with grass everywhere. Especially this pair that must’ve hid in the bush the other day when we moved the herd. They followed the bale wherever I went today😉

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                    #21
                    Nothing more fun than laying on your back on frozen cow turds replacing a burnt element while the rest in the pen stand around waiting on you to get it going.

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                      #22
                      Originally posted by Sheepwheat View Post
                      The wild ruminants and our sheep are bred in fall and are building babies through winter without liquid water. That’s why I asked about cattle, because the sheep maintain condition just fine. We’ve had horses for twenty four years and they have never had winter water.

                      I have read a lot of studies done on winter watering for livestock and most say it’s fine, but not lots of people do it in practice.

                      Haha, even a few pigs we over wintered last year, stopped drinking water suddenly one day. Bang, and they quit. I was worried about them. I would a carry them water, and they refused it. I thought there was something wrong with them. I finally gave up because it’s no point to carry water two hundred yards, and have it never consumed.

                      Those hogs grew all through winter, and never needed any liquid water. It was their choice, not mine. I never would have believed it…
                      You were feeding them well!!!

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                        #23
                        Geese finally hightailed it out of here today. They sure hung around a long time.

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                          #24
                          My cows pick snow with no problems whatsoever. Dad and his dad before would cut holes in the ice, bail water out of the well, or melt snow, and to think all that stupid work was in vain as the cows could’ve ate snow. If cows are walking any kind of distance to water how much energy are they burning and extra feed does it take versus them eating snow where they stand? Yet to see a study which definitively says snow is less adequate than water.

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