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    #25
    Interesting times…

    Letting someone else be responsible for our future….

    Hiring suits to fix our farm problems… like repairing a broken drive shaft… what could possibly go wrong! Exactly how much more will that cost???

    Interesting discussion… mob violence and intimidation are effective… sadly seldom do constructive solutions result Climate Change and Woke pride.

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      #26
      Not withdrawing Tom. Putting it to better use.
      The Code of Practice as written. Where did that come from anyway?
      No Aginvest without emissions reduction as decided by Ottawa? Where has sitting at the table nodding our heads got us?
      Maybe I should just retire lol.

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        #27
        Originally posted by bucket View Post
        So having said that , you have to take some responsibility to the topic at hand and why farmers are being encouraged to pull their funding when they believe there is no value for money ?

        I watch announcements for other industries get grant in the billions and yet agriculture lobbyists ( puke) rarely get an effective lobby result like those other industries.

        Dofasco and Algoma steel both extracted 400 million each for replacing their steel melting furnaces. Do you see the government helping farmers the same way for primary agriculture overall.
        Dofasco and Algoma steel are public companies. CEO’s get paid on performance and employees get paid a wage neither group has a vested interest in the success of the company they work for and will get paid regardless of success or failure. Politicians have a completely different reason for supporting the success of these businesses and use the public purse to launder money and votes to ensure their own political existence. It doesn’t matter whether the company makes money or not and shareholders don’t care as long as valuations rise and dividends continue.
        Maybe farm groups need to hire Defascos lobbyists but I don’t know to what end, it’s a market driven business based on scarcity of product. In my thinking, if ROI isn’t working then your input costs ( land, equipment, crop costs and expected return) are to high and need to be adjusted. I think the problem with farming businesses is the lack of a good business plan and decisions are driven by emotion. I’m not doing this because I want to feed the world, I just saw an opportunity and a lifestyle I wanted.
        PS written in the sunny Arizona desert where the success of my business has allowed me to spend a couple of months. As an aside, had to try two border crossings because of vax status I was escorted back from the first one. Idaho let us through.

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          #28
          Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
          Not withdrawing Tom. Putting it to better use.
          The Code of Practice as written. Where did that come from anyway?
          No Aginvest without emissions reduction as decided by Ottawa? Where has sitting at the table nodding our heads got us?
          Maybe I should just retire lol.
          99% of the time… we get exactly the results we work for and are invested in.

          We get exactly what we deserve…

          Passionate determination to solve a problem…beats any other solution… every time on our farm… always learning… changing….

          We get the policy and government we deserve!

          Cheers

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            #29
            not a like
            thats bullshit tom and you know it , western canada has no say in the federal govt , none , ZERO !

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              #30
              Originally posted by TOM4CWB View Post
              Interesting times…

              Letting someone else be responsible for our future….

              Hiring suits to fix our farm problems… like repairing a broken drive shaft… what could possibly go wrong! Exactly how much more will that cost???

              Interesting discussion… mob violence and intimidation are effective… sadly seldom do constructive solutions result Climate Change and Woke pride.
              Not disagreeing with your passion or intent Tom.
              I'm sure you know what I meant.
              Hired guns doing what we say.

              It's a tragedy it took a lifetime to get rid of the board.
              Do you think we need to resort to sit ins and hunger strikes again?

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                #31
                Motivation for the solutions folks suggest is valid logical and should not surprise anyone….

                Inter generational family farms… with young families available to participate in the farm… will have very different motivation and solutions than farmers over 60 with no real family to continue the farm.

                I retire farming…when I die… all in … no regrets!

                Been of this family culture and tenacity is required my whole life…. Not changing now…. Obviously.

                My Passion and motivation…. Are mine….

                Choice and freedom to choose our own destiny… is a human attribute… even if these freedoms are shrinking and at risk of becoming extinct!

                Exit taxes are in Germany…. Coming to California…

                Government is the worst manager of wealth… hands down…. Indian affairs…. The list of failures is as long as the policy that taxes and spends on societal solutions that are designed to fall before they start…. IE… The new ‘Green Deal’ a waste of $Trillions… where the solutions are worse than the disease!!!!

                Blessings and salutations!
                Last edited by TOM4CWB; Jan 26, 2023, 13:24.

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                  #32
                  Originally posted by TOM4CWB View Post
                  Interesting times…

                  Letting someone else be responsible for our future….

                  Hiring suits to fix our farm problems… like repairing a broken drive shaft… what could possibly go wrong! Exactly how much more will that cost???

                  Interesting discussion… mob violence and intimidation are effective… sadly seldom do constructive solutions result Climate Change and Woke pride.
                  Or the government could butt out, and leave us do what we do best. Then we wouldn’t “need” these boards to “represent us”.

                  Funny, the reason for farmers pulling money is going over these commissions heads, just like farmers telling you directly that they feel they aren’t getting value for their money is going over your head now…why on earth would you listen to the people you represent, right?
                  Last edited by flea beetle; Jan 26, 2023, 14:10.

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                    #33
                    There is too much cheerleading going on in agriculture politics.

                    Where was the federal ag committee for the 2021 drought? The potato fiasco got looked at with conservative Barlow leading the charge. The floods in BC got looked at.

                    Both were compensated.

                    Drought got 100 percent ignored.

                    Tom says get involved. I call or write MPs . They say we are dealing with a liberal government. Some excuse.

                    But no problem for western MPs to head to PEI to watch potatoes go through a snowblower.

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                      #34
                      Governments and industry will always be negotiating over something. Often but not always from opposite sides.
                      How much negotiating has our current government done? Dictating maybe.
                      Certainly we'd still have the board if this current situation existed back then.
                      It appears to me that our voices are mixed and muffled. Am I wrong?
                      Very very few of our members are even slightly aware or involved. Yet we all pay.
                      And to be fair I will study this a little more.
                      But consider this. No one has an answer regarding the origin of the CoP. Crickets.
                      Are all the delegates ok with paying more than our competitors for emissions driven fert programs? Giving up aginvest or insurance?
                      More sunny ways from all sides.
                      Prove me wrong, please.

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                        #35
                        After spending thousands of hours, the vast majority of them being voluntary with out pay over the past 3 decades… fighting for farmers private property rights, and freedoms to farm… with out government’s interference:

                        I fail to understand where your evidence is of ‘lack of care and due diligence’ to neglect and ignore cost of production issues, carbon taxes on farmers energy requirements….

                        allegations of neglect are from what source????

                        The Alberta MP Conservative Agricultural Critic ; gave a lunch presentation at Crossroads..Crop Conference on Wednesday… the highest government of Canada Agricultural opposition position … pointing out the unfair positions in agricultural policies perpetuated by the Lib/NDP coalition in Ottawa upon our Agricultural communities.

                        As clearly stated… the rural political power has diminished significantly over the past 50 years… not because we have neglected our opportunities to fight for farmers and our agricultural communities…

                        Urbanization of Canadian society has diminished our political leverage. Vote by population… democratic power by buying votes of the urban community… with the prosperity of our future generations… the massive increases in government employment of the work force… all diminish rural agricultural influences on the civil service of the various levels of government in Canada.

                        Apparently I am arguing with myself… again…

                        bad enough when we try diligently to do the best we can… and are ignored by many in the urban community… worse yet when farmers themselves… buy the lie that the good work done for our rural agricultural communities… didn’t happen in the first place.

                        Peace, Blessings and Cheers… no good deeds go unpunished.

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                          #36


                          Wednesday lunch presentation at Crossroads Crop Conference by John Barlow… fighting for fairness for farmers.

                          Wonderful he took the time and showed true understanding of our rural agricultural communities.

                          God Bless 🇨🇦
                          Cheers

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