cattle guys

[WiltonRanch]

All I have learnt from 2021 is that bureaucrats are procrastinators , keeping their job for a pension plan. Earning big money supposedly thinking all day long. Not developing proactive programs that can mitigate the problems we have today.

Make an across the board program that can work year in and year out without having to pat themselves on the back for making an announcement with " details to follow " .

Honestly WTF have they been doing since the end of May. This drought is closing on 4 years and they sit back and see if a crisis can be ignored.

Phucking incompetence.

Do you get the sense most governments are largely ambivalent to the cattle industry as a whole? In the past every farm had some form of livestock other than the pure ranching areas. You would like to think things went to where they fit with regards to land suitability and economic situations. Granted some bad ideas like trying to farm blow sand etc. Aside from health issues like BSE or hoof and mouth or increasing esg nonsense the government has a laissez fair approach with the cow calf producer the last 20 years which i honestly don’t mind personally. However, any government involvement in our industry which impacts us should be compensated adequately. When Ritz axed the pfra pastures and Sask did the same with provincial ones it really kicked a lot of smaller and starting out cattle people in the butt. Sure it probably cost the taxpayers some money but the trickle down from the economic activity outweighed. Now a 5 year drought and the governments are even more ambivalent than during the 2002-2004 period of chaos. They’re letting the industry sort itself out. That is what’s hard to take

[newguy]

There is insurance that can be taken out on tame hay and native grass.So producers should not expect governments to 100% compensate the loss of a drought.Not saying that program is perfect but if your in a position that a dry year is a game changer you should have it.

[bucket]

There is insurance that can be taken out on tame hay and native grass.So producers should not expect governments to 100% compensate the loss of a drought.Not saying that program is perfect but if your in a position that a dry year is a game changer you should have it.

That was brought up at meetings. Weather stations are not reflective of local pastures when rainfalls are localized. 30 miles from a station isn't reflective of what's happening in a guys pasture. If the rains come late it may not help for a year like this. I understand it reduces the governments risk, not so much for the guy with the real risk in raising cattle.

[newguy]

That was brought up at meetings. Weather stations are not reflective of local pastures when rainfalls are localized. 30 miles from a station isn't reflective of what's happening in a guys pasture. If the rains come late it may not help for a year like this. I understand it reduces the governments risk, not so much for the guy with the real risk in raising cattle.

Not a perfect program but you can choose a few options on what months to put more % on to suit yor pasture or tame hay .Nice that it is figured out mathematical and no crop insurance adjusters involved.There is a chance you collect and catch rains as much as not collect and miss rains.Point is if your not going to buy insurance expect a loss in a drought whether it is grain or cattle.

[bucket]

I have a half section of canola that you can see the difference from the east side to west in the amount of rain. That's in one mile and the weather stations are 30 miles away for pastures????


If you use a weather station 30 miles away and it rains there but not at your farm, then you have no claim and still no pasture.

[furrowtickler]

Any comment on the announcement yesterday. I am going to delay my comments until I hear what others say. Usually I am a little off and someone points out something I hadn't thought about.

I will say this. In a drought $80 per head doesn't buy much feed, if you can find it.

And a lot of guys are just maintaining the herd genetics.

After a few comments from others I will express my opinion. Right or wrong.

So is this solely a Sask Government thing , or split with Feds ???

[furrowtickler]

There is insurance that can be taken out on tame hay and native grass.So producers should not expect governments to 100% compensate the loss of a drought.Not saying that program is perfect but if your in a position that a dry year is a game changer you should have it.

You obviously run cattle and have vast first hand knowledge of years of experience in the livestock industry??

[bucket]

You obviously run cattle and have vast first hand knowledge of years of experience in the livestock industry??

Rainfall insurance has been equated to picking the number at the roulette table. Even the SCIC officials agreed with that comment.

Its not insurance it's gambling.

[newguy]

Rainfall insurance has been equated to picking the number at the roulette table. Even the SCIC officials agreed with that comment.

Its not insurance it's gambling.

I guess when the numbers are in and you look at the stations that had a pay out then you can conclude if it was gambling.My guess the pay out areas would be in the dry areas .unfortunately when temperatures in the summer reach over 30 for many days in a row rainfall does mean less.

[newguy]

Just read 90% of the rainfall insured acres will get a pay out this year.

[bucket]

Just read 90% of the rainfall insured acres will get a pay out this year.

That's should tell the provincial and federal governments how serious this drought is. Putting aside my previous comments about rainfall insurance , those stations still serve a purpose for collecting data.

On another topic, Trudeau gave away 125 million on his latest trip to Indonesia, but can't announce the federal share of the. agrirecovery funding for Canadian ranchers . Too bad my $4 a head checkoff funding couldn't point that out.

[fjlip]

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