cattle guys

[wmoebis]

An environmental assessment is sometimes required to get some of this free cash. Most programs come with strings attached and it's gonna get worse. All depends on how much paper you like to push and most older guys say screw it. Big corps have bean counters and lawyers on retainer to look after those things.

Been involved with trying to get grants and loans for other things than AG and they too have lots of strings and hoops to get through. Not so sure just writing checks with no questions is the answer either didn't turn out that great for CERB lots of people complaining about that when it was up to us to decide if we needed/wanted it.

[shtferbrains]

There you go.

Any support to the disappearing cattle industry without a stack of paperwork and many months to years lag time is equivalent to CERB.

[wmoebis]

There you go.

Any support to the disappearing cattle industry without a stack of paperwork and many months to years lag time is equivalent to CERB.

I was comparing the paper work or lack of only.

[Guest]

Last I heard the cattle farts could possibly be fuelling the forest fires.

Are those all cows ?,lol

[Old Cowzilla]

Are those all cows ?,lol

You could say those are cattleliners for humans PACKIM IN AND SHIPTHEM OUT

[goalieguy847]

You could say those are cattleliners for humans PACKIM IN AND SHIPTHEM OUT

Not gonna lie to you guys.. and its definitely more location specific than down south... but the largest farms up in our neck of the woods and definitely are the ones jacking up some.rents are the cattle guys. Theyve created half this problem for themselves. Have more cattle.. need more land.. go to neighbour who has been renting to family friends and offer them 25% more to grow silage barley 2 outta 3 yrs..

Again
Location specific.
I really really dont have any pity on the local " ranchers" who drive around in new pickups with an F turdeau flag but now bitch and complain and want a handout.

You guys down south that have been getting pummelled by drought on the other hand. I do wish we could send some our rain your way. I really really do.
Nothing is more disheartening to the nostalgia created by a good crop...than to stare at the skys praying for rain and watching everything wither around you.

[TSIPP]

I bet cows at auction just dropped 80 bucks a head.

[TSIPP]

It’s not just drought it’s crapy prices, 3 good years out of 25 don’t cut it, I sold a hundred yearlings last week and it’s the biggest cheque I’ve ever had but it’s not big enough when you look at the price of everything else. I can think of a lot better ways to make minimum wage than having cows.

[bucket]

It’s not just drought it’s crapy prices, 3 good years out of 25 don’t cut it, I sold a hundred yearlings last week and it’s the biggest cheque I’ve ever had but it’s not big enough when you look at the price of everything else. I can think of a lot better ways to make minimum wage than having cows.

That came up in those local meetings. Young guys won't do this for less than minimum wage.

What's worse is guys like Ritz think ranchers should have off farm jobs. Pay taxes so government can create a Canadian Agricultural Human Resource Council to find foreign workers to help out the larger BTO .

Every farm that is in its 3rd or 4th generation has had government help. Sadly the current generation think they built the farm themselves and know more than guys just starting out on their own.

Therein lies part of our lobbying problem.

[newguy]

In the past livestock industry used marginal cheaper land and was used as a tax dodge.No more cheap land changes things.yet line ups at burger and steak places.How high can the price go before demand backs off? Guess we will find out in the near future.As a mixed farmer in the past it was just accepted for grain to subsidize the cattle some years and cattle subsidize the grain some years.that type of thinking is gone also as programs has made it a disadvantage to diversify and spread risk.Livestock industry is entering uncharted territory and not sure anyone knows the future.

[WiltonRanch]

In the past livestock industry used marginal cheaper land and was used as a tax dodge.No more cheap land changes things.yet line ups at burger and steak places.How high can the price go before demand backs off? Guess we will find out in the near future.As a mixed farmer in the past it was just accepted for grain to subsidize the cattle some years and cattle subsidize the grain some years.that type of thinking is gone also as programs has made it a disadvantage to diversify and spread risk.Livestock industry is entering uncharted territory and not sure anyone knows the future.

That is a sensible post. Implying it as a tax dodge is a bit overreaching for a lot of us with a purely mixed bag of land. Otherwise this is spot on. I seen some time ago that like in Europe with a high concentration of dairy cattle that supply of beef most notably grind increasingly comes from dairy calves. See a lot of dairy operations AI cows to beef bulls for better gaining calves. Whether this will be enough to fill a void remains to be seen.

Far as my own situation I tried to expand the herd some years ago taking on a lot of very reasonably priced grazing land. Had the cows, adequate home raised feed, lots of grazing but a deficit in infrastructure and labour. Couldn’t make any money because of the lack of those two things but wasn’t capitalized enough to build more stuff and not enough margin to justify a full time person. It was a vicious cycle and it really hasn’t changed for a lot of operations. I cut back to what my marginal land could handle and try to make do with what I have. I am one of the last truly mixed operations in my little area. Herds are disappearing all the time as people age and the younger generation does not want to do it. So much land which once had a fence and cows grazed the margins in the spring or fall is now just farmed and the rest left to grow over contributing to the fuel load. When my ancestors came here there wasn’t a single tree because of rampant fires. Now anything not grazed, farmed, or cut is trees. We displaced fires but the natural balance is out of wack because of excessive vegetation in these non cropped areas. Properly managed grazing in forested areas when appropriate does as much for fire prevention as fireguards and managed fires. We lose more cattle numbers north of hwy 16 I fear we see more intense fires in our grazed forests and non cropping areas.

[bucket]

All I have learnt from 2021 is that bureaucrats are procrastinators , keeping their job for a pension plan. Earning big money supposedly thinking all day long. Not developing proactive programs that can mitigate the problems we have today.

Make an across the board program that can work year in and year out without having to pat themselves on the back for making an announcement with " details to follow " .

Honestly WTF have they been doing since the end of May. This drought is closing on 4 years and they sit back and see if a crisis can be ignored.

Phucking incompetence.