Seedmaster nova

[LEP]

Dealer advising against a second tow behind cart. Saying that seedhawk already has frame cracking issues without hanging a tank behind it?

Is this a truthful claim? Or pushing an agenda to sell a full second unit?

My neighbor did a lot of welding on his.

[jazz]

flea, a few guys around here have given up on handling all that fertilizer through the cart and are floating some of it down ahead of the drill in canola. There was a custom floater guy running around the rm last yr. First time I had seen him.

[biglentil]

My neighbor did a lot of welding on his.

Pulled 5500gallons of liquid behind a hawk for years zero cracks.

[flea beetle]

flea, a few guys around here have given up on handling all that fertilizer through the cart and are floating some of it down ahead of the drill in canola. There was a custom floater guy running around the rm last yr. First time I had seen him.

That sounds like a good idea, until you start running the calculator. How can they afford to pay someone to float every acre for them? 6000 acres x $20/acre = $120,000 per year. Makes a payment or two on another or a bigger drill.

[Sodbuster]

That sounds like a good idea, until you start running the calculator. How can they afford to pay someone to float every acre for them? 6000 acres x $20/acre = $120,000 per year. Makes a payment or two on another or a bigger drill.

Not only that but in my mind you lose the efficiency of banded fertilizer and accuracy.

[furrowtickler]

That sounds like a good idea, until you start running the calculator. How can they afford to pay someone to float every acre for them? 6000 acres x $20/acre = $120,000 per year. Makes a payment or two on another or a bigger drill.

If you have a sprayer , you have an applicator .
I am streaming on N now .
Fast , effective, full sectional control already
They are not just sprayers for chem
They are actually called liquid applicators for a reason .
Or ….. We actually paid for a good 100 ft pull type in one year for the cost of paying someone to custom spread . Just about everyone has an older 4wD sitting on farm this time of year that regardless of hours that will not lose a dime . I pull ours with and ole 9270 case . Cost is minimal, fuel use extremely low, just your time . Only use HC when have to now . Can easily do 600 ac a day even this time of year applying N or N and S , easy to add hummocks or micros if needed.
Just find one with auto boom height and use a stabilizer or humics , actually relaxing job this time of year , wind under 35 , temp not an issue , dew / frost not and issue .
Just an option that may work for your situation and save you a lot of grief come spring .

[furrowtickler]

Also if tech savvy you can easily to VR if that’s your thing with your own sprayer .
Just need a set of very affordable stream nozzles and just about any sprayer can be set up for VR , even if you only do 25-50% of your N in fall .
We bought our 28 in July for way cheaper than any N source now .
May work for you , May not , just an option before adding cost , complexity, time and possible extra grief at seeding .

[furrowtickler]

We stream on 35-40 lbs N in fall now , 15 mph with HC or 8.5 with pull type , full sectional and just do high / low rate by cutting rate in half on ridges with rate 2 and shutting off through low areas that are flooded 70% of the time at seeding . Poor man’s VR I guess
I think every sprayer has 2 rate switches? Could be wrong .
Can be done in spring as well before or after seeding if need be .

[flea beetle]

Admittedly know nothing about streaming N in the fall. Do you have to incorporate it somehow, or just stream it on, and seed in the spring?

It is an interesting way to spread out the workload, instead of trying to apply everything in the spring. And you utilize the equipment you already have. We wouldn’t miss the benefit of placing the fertilizer in a band near the seed? Or it is a minor trade off?

[jazz]

We have been broadcasting some urea ahead of the drill for a couple yrs now just to smooth out workload. Dads 82, I cant have him running for fertilizer and seed and helping me load the cart every few hrs. Our canola ran in the low 50s, same as everyone else around here.

We are going to try a couple fields this fall with an N stabilizer.

They float and broadcast millions of acres in the US corn and winter wheat belt.

I think floating rates are closer to $10, not $20.

Sometimes getting the crop in the ground quickly trumps perfect agronomy.

[biglentil]

Unless it rains shortly after broadcasting, even with stabilizers you are going to get some gassing off into the atmosphere. The amount lost into the atmosphere or into spring runoff can be large. . There was a really good study done by NDSU a number of years back, banding is king.

[furrowtickler]

High fertility rates at seeding time close to seed is a dangerous game . Can create a host of issues most fertility dealers will overlook .
If you’re in a higher moisture area Flea NH3 is an option as well .
Here NH3 is a toss up wether the ground is too dry and hard in the fall to even get it in effectively
This fall is an exception and is working very well for guys .

[jazz]

They sure as hell arent putting down 400lbs of product with corn planters in the US. Thats all being floated on, some after the crop is up.

The study showed that stabilized N would maybe have an 8% loss to gasification. Not insignificant, but look at the bigger picture. If you get your canola seeded a week earlier and harvested before a frost, makes a big diff.

We had 2 significant rain delays at seeding this year.

[Guest]

We have been broadcasting some urea ahead of the drill for a couple yrs now just to smooth out workload. Dads 82, I cant have him running for fertilizer and seed and helping me load the cart every few hrs. Our canola ran in the low 50s, same as everyone else around here.

We are going to try a couple fields this fall with an N stabilizer.

They float and broadcast millions of acres in the US corn and winter wheat belt.

I think floating rates are closer to $10, not $20.

Sometimes getting the crop in the ground quickly trumps perfect agronomy.

$9/ac for floater here, comes with 2 tender trucks , 3 men , real bargain if you ask me !

[flea beetle]

We have been broadcasting some urea ahead of the drill for a couple yrs now just to smooth out workload. Dads 82, I cant have him running for fertilizer and seed and helping me load the cart every few hrs. Our canola ran in the low 50s, same as everyone else around here.

We are going to try a couple fields this fall with an N stabilizer.

They float and broadcast millions of acres in the US corn and winter wheat belt.

I think floating rates are closer to $10, not $20.

Sometimes getting the crop in the ground quickly trumps perfect agronomy.

I imagine we tend to overthink things sometimes. Perfect seed placement, perfect blend, perfect timing, etc. the most important thing is likely that it gets done in the first place. Lol

I do have a valmar boom spreader I could utilize. The question becomes, will that gain me enough of a time boost to cover the ground with one rig. Likely seed 25-30% more acres per fill? Probably fair to say that I would gain 15-20% efficiency during seeding. I think I could seed around 4500 acres with one drill safely in the time window we get around here the way we are doing things now. Add 20% and that gets me to 5400 acres. These gains would be similar for what furrow is saying to do with liquid fert as well.

Maybe I could speed up fill times with a 10” auger or field loader (conveyor) and get to that 6000 acre mark without breaking the bank? Would be cutting it tight on a spring where there isn’t much of a seeding window, but it might work.

Around here, broadcast spreading with tendering included is $20/acre.