Need help with contract.

[BreadWinner]

I am hearing from our local elevators that most samples that were borderline are now getting poorer germ and not making malt. Translation “maybe the price in down since you signed the contract”

[LEP]

I used to always have malt barley in the rotation.

I got tired of the games.

[helmsdale]

I used to always have malt barley in the rotation.

I got tired of the games.

This!

But one further, a guy should start making shine... Mix it with some pressed crab apple juice and the whole "regulated industry" can stuff it!

[Rareearth]

I can here them,

This is how the grain companies / employees justify it, ( the malt grading, discounts, rejections and pricing)

- the farmers need us
- with out us farmers would only grow feed barley
- the farmers are lucky, they get premium prices, and have a market for their best quality

It is corruption, fraud when they have contracts and cancel them, only to replace that grain with “common” or feed grades through domestic channels.

Has there ever been a easier class action law suit opportunity?

There is no risk to growers, lose our domestic beer brewing, I doubt it. You can make a lot of bottles out of a bushel of barley.

[goalieguy847]

So heres the issue. All load tickets were well in spec for every malt spec. Every load ticket is graded malt. We were not shut down hauling and grades were agreed upon load by load.
After the grain was put into a bin 2 representative samples came back that were more than double the Chitted level of even our worst load.
The final composite germ.sample.is still malt and good germ.
So, 16 load tickets with graded malt, every spec graded top notch.
No problem right?

2.5 weeks later im told the entire bin is chitted out and now it will be feed barley.
Nope. Not happening.

Malt barley is not under cgc review program as chit AND falling number are not grading factors recognized by the cgc.
Chit specifically is a visual test ( which was done on every individual load i had and chit doesnt change in a bin, and especially not over 2 weeks.

The games afoot. 3 elevator managers, a farmer/ lawyer, AND the grain commission have all agreed that the company is in breach and i am entitled to what is on the ticket.
This is visual and chit is nothing more than a representation of how the barley may germ. It does not.specifically affect germ.

If they were to send samples away to a 3rd party then they would be taking issue with their OWN GRADING room as chit is checked Load by load. Final germ can change, certainly, but chit doesnt go from under 3 % across 16 super b loads to nearly 20% after its in a bin.

Know your shit guys. Commission is looking into this. Will keep you posted.
As well, they cannot legally offer you a price without the final grading ( which they havent provided, but they have offered me a price).

[goalieguy847]

Also, in having some great discussions with cgc and grainscanada/ barley commission.. the test that the elevators use to check all of your falling numbers is not a repeatable test, which is why the grain commission did NOT adopt it. There is only 1 way to do a repeatable scientific accurate falling number test and it isnt.whats done at the elevator
If you were to do 10 different falling number tests on the exact same load sample of your grain you will get 10 different falling numbers. If you have any low falling number grain they take issue with you ABSOLUTELY request a resample of the load and another falling number test.

[biglentil]

Did you keep samples and if so did you do a germ test?

[fjlip]

I am hearing from our local elevators that most samples that were borderline are now getting poorer germ and not making malt. Translation “maybe the price in down since you signed the contract”

We had both elevators do 4 barley samples, after harvest and a month later. Each sample is MORE chitted. All tests were higher at Viterra. Malteurope had 9% chit where these two were 20-40% chit. Germ was 99% on all of them. Samples sat in heated shop in sample bags in covered pails. It's a shit show.

[goalieguy847]

Did you keep samples and if so did you do a germ test?

Jesus h.

Does anyone read?

The samples still came back with great GERM even after the comp from the bin at elevator.
All specs were good but chit went from combined 3% on all my scale tickets and a malt grade to almost 20 % chit and feed grade.


When in doubt, read about.

[wmoebis]

Jesus h.

Does anyone read?

The samples still came back with great GERM even after the comp from the bin at elevator.
All specs were good but chit went from combined 3% on all my scale tickets and a malt grade to almost 20 % chit and feed grade.


When in doubt, read about.

Did you have a look at the pealed sample to see what you assessed the chit at? I wonder if it was the same guy assessing both time or if both knew proper procedures for assessment.

[LEP]

Jesus h.

Does anyone read?

The samples still came back with great GERM even after the comp from the bin at elevator.
All specs were good but chit went from combined 3% on all my scale tickets and a malt grade to almost 20 % chit and feed grade.


When in doubt, read about.

How much rain during late august early sept? Barley goes through a sweat after it is in the bin so it does affect quality somewhat.

That is why companies scramble to tie up mt at harvest and get check samples later on.

They want the farmer to have the storage risk as long as possible.

[blackpowder]

Malt is a specialty crop that is grossly over supplied.

[biglentil]

Jesus h.

Does anyone read?

The samples still came back with great GERM even after the comp from the bin at elevator.
All specs were good but chit went from combined 3% on all my scale tickets and a malt grade to almost 20 % chit and feed grade.


When in doubt, read about.

You are the one here posting for help. Sounds like you have it all figured out, so man up and handle it.

[Grahamp]

The year was 1986, I was 7 in Iron Springs, Alberta and a neighbour complained that he was getting ripped off on his malt grade. He left and my Grandfather looked at me and gave me the best piece of advice that ever passed from Grandfather to Grandson, He said “Graham that was a malt barely grower, In all my 75 years I’ve never met a happy one.”

[LEP]

Alright all you fellow agrivillers.
Anyone had issue with grain contracts recently?
Had some grain go in.. have all grades on delivery tickets. Company called me back after 3 weeks ( due to final germ check) and told me grain had gone WILDLY out of spec despite not shutting me down hauling ( which i would have been had 1 load been so far out of spec)
Will be a 30 k hit to me.
Anyone know or have used any grain contract lawyers or have direct experience with this? Situation is Very straight forward and im not in the wrong.

So here is a question. If they shut you down what would you have done? Do you have some better quality grain left?

If your quality didn't meet specs you would still have to buyout the malt contract.