FREEDOM BREAD

[eatmorewheat]

Perhaps the answer is very simple. Does not every Canadain have a bloody right who he/she sells his property to?

When will this mother gov't baloney end?
This is very simply about the rights of an individual in a free country. Chicken and dairy farmers in Ontario face the same ridicoulus oppression designated area farmers do for wheat and barley when they want to find new high value markets for THEIR property.

Free wheat in the west and get on with the job of building a Canada that respects the institution of freedom.

[wd9]

Okay for sure the last time, how does the making of your freedom bread help this?

[TOM4CWB]

In the first post on this thread, it says this;

"FREEDOM BREAD’s purpose is to draw attention to the fact that inequalities exist within Canada where all wheat farmers except the Prairies can directly market their wheat..."

"Canadians have fought and died for freedom. We are recently reminded of this with the 60th anniversary of D-Day. Freedom to buy and sell is one of the main pillars of a free nation."

"...a Toronto baker who sourced the FREEDOM WHEAT directly from farmers in Alberta..."

...

"The simple fact that many Canadian laws were broken in the formation of this freedom bread...

proves a point...

just like the underground railroad... a spirit of justice cannot be drowned out by discrimination and exploitation, that are backed by a corrupt government!"

...

"it is a total abuse of the CWB Act, Canada Grain Act, and an act fraud for the CWB to confiscate regulate and profit from products it has no constitutional authority to regulate in the first place.'

THE POINT IS WD9, some farmers in Alberta, are VERY unhappy that their neighbour thinks they have the right to dip into personal bank accounts... and steal hard earned resourses from their families.

So these Alberta farmers, supported by many others, decided to bring this injustice to your attention, WD9.

Hope this helps!

[wd9]

So the awareness is just to farmers then?

[eatmorewheat]

Thanks Tom.

Wd9 have you tried FREEDOM BREAD yet? You know, some will say that freedom tastes pretty good.

Free wheat in the west.

[wd9]

I hope that is not a Freudian slip - "Free" wheat in the west.

Some would say getting rid of the board would not be of economic benefit, some say freedom at any price, some say it wouldn't make a difference we're all going broke anyways.

I do believe in the markets. Markets and ultimately "Mr. Consumer" make or break all products. When products and services are tempered through supply and demand curves, a true price is realized. Peas, canola, feed barley - many other grains are not under the board and yet their value is realized daily based on how much we got versus how much it is wanted.

Due diligence and fudiciary responsibility limit a CWB's directors actions on the board to not destroying the corporation they are to govern, unless they are willing to be sued, so I don't see how farmers have the choice of whether or not the CWB exists by voting. I'm not sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Awareness does help the situation, as in Freedom bread, but every farmer certainly has an opinion of whether or not market choice is a good thing and changing their minds either way is unlikely to happen. You finally answered my question and said Freedom bread was awareness for me. I do enjoy the taste of fresh baked bread, but it will not change my mind or views of the CWB.

There has to be a way to resolve this question of whether or not the Western Canadian Wheat Board is no longer required or if it is necessary for Western Canadian farmers to continue with it.

This issue is swamping and stealing time away from many other issues which are also important. It causes hard feelings and anger among farmers, pitting one against the other. I'm reminded of this when I get 'preached at' by your responses without you even knowing my position. Perhaps, the government has realized that if we argue enough amongst ourselves, we'll leave them alone. So far its been working quite well.

More awareness I don't think we (farmers) need. We are all quite aware of what is going on and at least 99% of the farmers have their opinion and probably will not change their mind.

What we need is a solution to this problem. As the saying goes, crap or get off the pot. Endlessly arguing about it is of no value to anyone.

So, what is the solution. What can be done to end this issue and move on.

[Incognito]

"Remember the past, examine the present and determine the future."

That quote was passed onto me on Friday. Kinda fits.

Thanks for the eloquent post WD9.

[Ration-Al]

Can Farmers determine the future of the CWB by voting considering the legal obligations of the directors to be mindful of the corporation that they are to govern? The CWB Act lays out a process by which commodities can be added to or removed from the authority of the the CWB.

A group which represents a specific commodity can show that they have significant support amongst producers of that commodity for making a change. Then a vote would be taken to ask producers if they would support such a change. Although this would significantly change the mandate of the CWB it would not necessarily mean that the CWB would come to an end.

This is the process which has been laid down in the law and yet nobody talks about it. Perhaps this is the serious manner in which we should proceed.

[Incognito]

So whats the answer, Mr. Flaman?

Put both barley and canola on the table? Would that keep both sides happy? Or all grains?

Can we crap or get off the pot as WD9 suggests?

Can we get this over with once and for all, or do we wait until the WTO makes the decision for us and whomever is in Federal power has something to hide behind à la WGTA and REG?

For all the money, time and BS spent on this, it would be better spent on VISION. Everyone is so concerned about the past and the present, no one is determining the future. The Aussies have - they are ready for the future - we sir, are not. And it doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on. The answer is the same.

Realized net income is abysmal. Net income is as bad. And if I hear one more North Dakota Tourism ad on the radio, I'm gonna puke.

Tarriff our grain, shut the border on cattle, and then advertise that we should shop there. Please.

Strange bedfellows the left side made during the barley wars in 92/93. And whom is left to be accountable? No one. The Eadie's, Loewen's, Bruun's and Graham's are long gone.

What if......barley was Continental and stayed that way in 1993. Would we still be arguing and killing time today?

[TOM4CWB]

WD9/Incognito;

A free and democractic society respects the right of legitimate owners of property to say YES... I want to Co-0perate and work with my neighbour...

Or

The right to say NO... I do not appreciate the "help" you are "offering" to give... GET LOST.

This right is the foundation to a working efficient economy... that adds wealth to a society... innovation... respect for others... IT IS THIS SIMPLE.

The right of the majority to capitalise on, and confiscate other peoples legitimate property... is a communist command and control government central planned economy... FINE... if this is going to be the way things are done... then pay a 5% return on my crop... all expences included.

If Canadian Society is not willing to pay all my costs... and give me a reasonable Return on Investment... Then Canadian Society has no right to confiscate my wheat/barley/peas/canola... through the CWB.

And don't tell me the CWB doesn't effect the value of non-board crops, because the CWB does... a huge influence. When the CWB holds feed/lower grade wheat and barley down below fair market values... and takes international competition out of the picture for my grains... the CWB lowers the value of my grain in many instances.

AND because others compete with the CWB for acres on my farm... when the CWB produces PRO's that are obviously insane on the low end... the CWB devalues all the productive/economic ability of my farm on all crops... not just wheat and barley.

REGULATE if you must... but Canadian Society MUST pay the price...

And take responsibility to send a reasonable PROFIT to my families farm... if you insist on regulating my sales of wheat and barley through the CWB!