Bio diesel plant for ND

[parsley]

On February 6, 1947, the Solicitor for the Canadian Wheat Board, Henry Monk, wrote a letter to M.W.McKenzie, Esq., Deputy Minister of trade and Commerce in Ottawa. He was drooling for an Act that would give the Federal Government domination and power over farmers, and he sent ammendments replying to the proposed CWB Act draft. In his letter, he enclosed the flour mills that were in operation at the time the CWB started to manage the grain industry.


Take a look, Vader:

MILLS IN MANITOBA


Altoana Milling Co. Ltd., Altona

Ellison Grist Mill, Tuelon

Gardenton Milling Co., Gardenton

Harrison Milling and Grain Co., Holmfield

Ho11and Flour Mills , Holland

Huron Hutterian Mutual Corpn., Benard

Kent Flour Mills. B. P., Virden

Maxwell.Hutterian Mutual Corpn., Pigeon Lake

Morris Milling Co. Ltd., Morris

North Eastern Flour Mills Ltd., Beausejour

North West Flour Mills, Fisher Branch

Ogilvie Flour Mills Co.Ltd, Winnipeg

Pine River Flour Mill, Pine River

Purity Flour Mills Ltd., St. Boniface

Roblin Flour Mill, Roblin

Sandy Lake Flour Mill, Sandy Lake

Sifton Flour Mills, Siftton

Simpson Flour Mills, Benito

Somerset Flour Mills, Somerset

Soo Lines Mills Ltd., Winnipeg

Steinbach F1our Mills, Steinbach

Turtle Mountain Flour Mills, Deloraine

Wawanesa Flour Mills, Wawanesa

Winkler Milling Co.. Ltd. W1nk1er


MILLS IN SASKATCHEWAN:

Assiniboia Flour Mills, Assiniboia

Battleford Milling Co., Battleford

Battleford Milling Co., Battleford

Canada West Grain Co. Ltd., Melfort

Central Saskatchewan Flour Mills Ltd., Wakaw

Consumers Co-operative Mills Ltd., Outlook

Esterhazy Flour Mill, Esterhazy

Estevan Flour Mill, Estevan

Foam Lake Flour Mills, Foam Lake

Gravelbourg Flour and Feed, Gravelbourg

Hub City Flour Mill, Saskatoon

Kamsack Flour Mill, Kamsack

Kayville Flour Mills, Kayville

McNab Flour Mills Ltd., Humboldt

Melville Milling Co., Melville

National Flour Mills Ltd., MooseJaw

Prairie Milling Co.Ltd., Herbert

Prairie Milling Co.Ltd., Tompkins

Quaker Oat. Co. of Canada Ltd., Saskatoon

Redberry Food Product Ltd., Saskatoon

Regina Flour Mill, Regina

Robin Hood Flour Mills Ltd., MooseJaw

Robin Hood Flour Mills Ltd., Saskatoon

Sunrise Milling Co., Biggar

Swift Current Flour Mills Ltd., Shaunavon

Swift Current Flour Mills Ltd., Swift Current

Union Supply Co. Ltd., Rosthern

Unity Flour Mills, Unity

Waskesiu Mills Ltd., Prince Albert

Weyburn Flour Mills Ltd., Weyburn

Wynyard Flour Mill, Wynyard

Yorkton Milling Co.Ltd., Yorkton

Viscount Flour & Feed Mills, Viscount


MILLS IN ALBERTA:

Andrew Flour Milling Co., Andrew

Andruik Flour Mills, Andruik

Byers Flour Mills, Camrose

Castor Flour Mills, Castor

Chinook Flour Mill Ltd., Okotoks

Coronation Milling Co., Coronation

Coronation Flour Mill, Calgary

Eckville Milling Co., Eckville.

Ellison Milling & Elevator Co.Ltd., Lethbridge

Gas City Flour Mill Co.Ltd., Medicine Hat

Lake of the Wood. Milling Co. Ltd., Medicine Hat

MacEachern Milling Co. Ltd., Wetaskawin

Maple Leaf Milling Co. Ltd., Medicine Hat

Mundare Flour Mill, Mundare

Nanton Flour Mill, Nanton

Nanton Flour Mill, Okotoks

North West Mill & Feed Co. Ltd., S.Edmonton

0gilvie Flour Mills Co.Ltd. The, Medicine Hat

0gilvie Flour Mills Co.Ltd., The Edmonton

Ohaton Flour Mills Ltd., Ohaton

Peace River Milling Co. Ltd., Calgary

Purity Flour Mills Ltd., Calgary

Radway Flour Mill, Radway

Opportune Flour Mill, Delia

Renown Flour Mills Ltd., Calgary

Robertson & Co. Ltd. A. C., Gleichen

Robin Hood Flour Mills Ltd., Calgary

Rosebud Flour Mills Co., Didsbury

Rockport Colony of Hutterian Brethren, Magrath

Rycroft Flour Mill, Rycroft

St. Paul Milling Co., St. Paul

Sterling Flour Mills Ltd., Strome

Stettler Flour Mills Ltd., Stettler

Sunnyview Flour Mill, Acme

Taber Flour Mill, Taber

United Grain Growers Ltd., Edmonton

Vegreville Flour & Feed Mill, Vegreville


Every one of these mills value-added. Every one of these mills hired workers. Are you pleased at how well the Wheat Board has been running the show since 1947? How many mills are left in your town, Agri-villers?

Tell me Vader, which of these towns will be grateful for the central planning that the CWB has done? Which of these companies will be pleased they had confidence in a Wheat Board that was supposedly better at looking after their interests than they themselves?

You admire master planning, Vader, but you would be brave indeed to try and bully the families of some of these millers into agreeing with you that the CWB is indeed the Holy Grail. You could end up heading for prairie hills with your tail between your legs, screaming "Fear mongers".

Parsley

[Vader]

parsley,

Shall we go through the litany of confectionary stores that have closed in the last 50 years, the butcher shops, the launderers, buggy whip manufacturers?

Life goes on and corporate consolidation is a reality. The flour mills that have closed did not close because of the CWB. They closed becuase of competition and the economies of scale.

You make the most irrational arguments through blind hatred and your desire to destroy the CWB.

[parsley]

Vader,

"The confectionary stores that have closed in the last 50 years, the butcher shops, the launderers, buggy whip manufacturers", as you refer to, were not declared as "works for the general advantage of Canada (WFTGAOC)" as were the flour mills!

The mills were ****d. The government set the price of wheat. They slapped on a national tariff. They could immediately take away your mill license. They controlled the railways and the cars and the movement of grain,...so any mill could get cut out of the flour traffic in a blink. The CWB took legislative control.

I didn't make the "works for the ..( WTGAOC) phrase up . You can find it in the CWB Act itself. In case you haven't read that part of the Act, here it is:

76. For greater certainty, but not so as to restrict the generality of any declaration in the Canada Grain Act that any elevator is a work for the general advantage of Canada, it is hereby declared that all flour mills, feed mills, feed warehouses and seed cleaning mills, whether heretofore constructed or hereafter to be constructed, are and each of them is hereby declared to be works or a work for the general advantage of Canada and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, every mill or warehouse mentioned or described in the schedule is a work for the general advantage of Canada.

R.S., c. C-12, s. 45.

So now we see that the mills that all these people owned became the works for the GENRERAL ADVANTAGE OF CANADA.

You'd love that Vader, but a lot of business people didn't share that view you hold. They called it facism. Privately owned with no control over what they owned. Regulated to the death.

If you were a Multicorp today, would you build anything in Canada that couldn't be folded up in the middle of the night and loaded for transport?

Would you build a big mustard plant or any kind of processing plant only to find it is really a function of the state?


Central Planning folks in Saskatchewan started the Land Bank system where the Government owned the land and "incompetent managers" would do the work. Same vision. Central planning. Your kind of vision. Vader-Vision can be your logo when you run for Politiks, Comrade.

I'm not blind, Vader because the Legislation backs me up.

I don't think even China wants to brag about this kind of legislative vision any more. Cuba will be your only promising shining example of Central planning you can entice Designated Area farmers with, Vader .

No wonder you hope we are all blind.

Parsley

[wd9]

A bit on biodiesel if anyone is still reading.

Biodiesel is not a commercial fuel product in Canada at the present time. The production costs of biodiesel are dominated by the feedstock cost. In the case of vegetable oils the net feedstock cost accounts for 78% of the total production costs for the scenario evaluated. Feedstock costs can fluctuate from year to year and have been as much as 50% higher and 33% lower than the average value. This price swing dramatically impacts the costs of producing biodiesel. It is estimated that the current costs of producing biodiesel from Canola oil or soybean oil is 63 cents per litre. Biodiesel selling prices would have to be higher than this to provide an investor a satisfactory rate of return.

Biodiesel production costs are lower when animal fats and cooking oil is used as the feedstock. With current cost of animal fat of 15 cents per pound (one half of that for vegetable oil) the production cost of biodiesel is 36 cents per litre. In some regions of the country animal fat prices are even lower and the production costs of biodiesel will also be lower. With the tax incentive introduced by the Ontario government, it is likely that one or two biodiesel plants could be commercially viable.

Biodiesel is not yet fully accepted by engine manufacturers, which is likely to slow its rate of market penetration. If biodiesel follows the trend of low level ethanol blends set in the early 1980’s it may take up to five years for the engine manufacturers to fully accept the fuel. There does not appear to be any reasons why the engine manufacturers will not eventually accept low level (B20) blends of biodiesel.

There are no safety or environmental issues with respect to the expanded use of biodiesel in Canada. The fuel has a higher flash point than diesel fuel and is biodegradable. Biodiesel has completed the Tier 1 and Tier 2 health effects required by the US EPA before new fuels can be fully commercialized. The EPA has not required Tier 3 testing for biodiesel.

The one property of biodiesel that may impede its development in Canada is its cold weather flow properties. There are solutions to the cold weather problems, either additives or special diesel blending fuels but they will add cost to the product. There may also be some fleets that park their vehicles indoors that can tolerate biodiesels cold weather characteristics.

Biodiesel blends will reduce the particulate matter, carbon monoxide, and VOC emissions of diesel engines. There may be small increases in NOx emissions depending on the characteristics of the biodiesel and the blending rate. All emission impacts are essentially linear with respect to the volume of biodiesel in the blend.

[Vader]

Just a comment on the acceptance by engine manufacturers.

I have heard that John Deere is shipping their new tractors with a full tank of bio-diesel blended fuel. Not sure what percentage.

When the diesel engine was invented it was designed to run on peanut oil. Diesel fuel came later.

[Vader]

You know what Parsley, some of what you say may be true but I would put almost all of it in the category of "ancient history", a topic which you relish as it suits your search and destroy mission.

[parsley]

I hope you don't mind Vader, but I will reply in a new thread so I don't thwart the intent of this thread.

Parsley

[wd9]

Yes, I have heard that to, and it is true. I have no idea how this will look posted, but this is a list I have based on late 02 data. Again kinda long, but oh well.

Caterpillar Caterpillar neither approves nor prohibits the use of biodiesel fuels. Caterpillar is not in a position to evaluate the many variations of biodiesel fuels, and the long-term effects on performance, durability or emissions compliance of caterpillar products. The use of biodiesel fuel does not affect Caterpillar’s materials and workmanship warranty. Failures resulting from the use of the fuel are not caterpillar factory defects and therefore the cost of repair would not be covered by the caterpillar warranty.Some caterpillar engines are limited to 5% biodiesel blends.
Cummins Cummins neither approves or disapproves of the use of biodiesel fuel. Cummins is not in a position to evaluate the many variations of biodiesel fuels or additives, and their long-term effects on performance, durability or emissions compliance of Cummins products. The use of biodiesel fuel does not affect Cummins Material and Workmanship warranty. Failures caused by the use of biodiesel fuels or other fuel additives are not defects of workmanship and/or material as supplied by Cummins, Inc and can not be compensated under Cummins warranty.
Detroit Diesel Biodiesel fuels may be produced from a wide variety of sources and maybe used in all DDC engines provided they are derived from soy methyl ester (SME) and **** methyl ester (RME) and are blended to a maximum of 20% by volume in diesel fuel. The resulting blend must meet DDC specified fuel properties.These blends have not been fully evaluated relative to diesel fuel system durability or engine oil effects.
International International Engine Corporation neither approves nor disapproves any product not manufactured or sold by International. The use of products such as biodiesel is at the discretion of the end-user. Any engine performance problem or failure attributed to biodiesel would not be recognized as the responsibility of International Engine Corporation.International’s engine warranty covers defects caused by material or workmanship. The International engine warranty, workmanship and material is not affected simply by the use of biodiesel regardless of the product’s origin. Fuel is not warranted by International under any condition.
John Deere John Deere has approved the use of up to 5% concentration soy-based Biodiesel fuel in its PowerTech® diesel engines.Biodiesel fuels may be used in John Deere diesel engines only if the fuel meets the provisional ASTM PS121 (U.S.) or DIN 51606 (German) specifications. NOTE: Raw pressed vegetable oils are NOT acceptable for use for fuel in any concentration. These oils do not burn completely, and will cause engine failure by leaving deposits on injectors and in the combustion chamber.



Manufacturer Model Warranty Conditions
Cars
BMW 525 Full approval
Renault } Peugeot} Citroen } All Models 5% RME- is not distinguished at the pump in France and does not affect warranty
Volkswagen Golf Ecomatic Full approval
Volkswagen All other models 15% RME mixture approved
Trucks
Mercedes Benz Truck Engines Use MB specification for RME
Volvo Truck Engines No approval-pending fixed quality standard. If RME is used halve oil drain intervals
Tractors
Fiatagri All new tractors No alteration
Ford All new tractors 2 year engine warranty
John Deere All tractors since 1967 2 year warranty
Duetz Fahr All tractors with 912/913 engines 1 year warranty
Linde All tractors since 1985 1 year warranty
Massey Ferguson All tractors since 1985 1 year / 800 hour warranty
Mercedes Benz All tractors 1 year warranty
Same All tractors since 1980 4 year 13000 hour warranty
Case All new tractors No alteration
Lamborghini All new tractors No alteration
Landini All new tractors 1 year warranty
Fendt All new tractors With RME package
Renault All new tractors With RME package
Steyr All tractors since 1947 With RME package
Zetor All new tractors With RME package

[wd9]

Ontario is the only province so far with a cut for biodiesel. At 14.3 cents per litre the numbers look Ok for development in Ontario.

Internationally:

Austria 43 cents Can/litre Only for 100% biodiesel
France 58 cents Can/litre Capped at 235 million litres/year
Germany 57 cents Can/litre Only for 100% biodiesel
Italy 57 cents Can/litre Capped at 125,000 tonnes per year. Used in heating oil not road diesel.
Sweden 54 cents Can/litre Capped at 30 million litres/year

[wd9]

Everest, your answers are:

1) at this point there is no national mandate for biofuels in either Canada or the US. Canada has given national relief from the 4% Tax on road fuels on the biodiesel portion of petroleum diesel blends but no mandate. The US under the EPAct (Energy Policy Act) requires a % of vehicles in all fleets to be alternative fuel compliant and under the recent Energy Bill gives incentives of $0.01 per gal per % for biodiesel.

2) Most tax incentives at the state level are tax relief on the alternative fuel that replaces petroleum products in whole or in part for use in the alternative fuel vehicles required by the EPAct. There are also state production incentives for the establishment of production facilities but these have been difficult to quantify as they go well beyond alternative fuels and can be based on creating new employment, new business opportunities, etc, etc. which are different in each state. In short, similar tactics to what provinces like Ont. and BC are doing, but more $$.

3) In Minnesota mandate will not come into effect until production in the state can supply the mandated volume, incentive already exist for production of biodiesel, and further incentives for new production of biodiesel. Many of the other states that have a mandate have it only for use in fleet or govt owned vehicles for compliance with the EPAct. The N. Dakota tax incentive also will not come into effect until the plant is built. States that currently have incentive are Idaho,Illinois, Iowa, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Arizona, Ohio, Montana, and Texas.