Flaman Claimed Buybacks Not Legal

[Vader]

Tom,

you said:

"US northern tier states have unlimited access to CWB quality CWRS seed, yet economics and lack of real premiums dictate growing other wheat... proof CWB premiums are delusinary musings of fed. bueacratic vegetation left over from the second world war. "

The reason US farmers don't grow our wheat is that they have higher yielding varieties. Those higher yielding varieties are inferior in milling and baking quality but in their system everything is comingled and quality is lost. There is no advantage to growing a CWRS in the US when you cannot differentiate that quality. American farmers have verified this to me personally over and over again.

This is one of the advantages of our variety registration system and our handling system. There are disadvantages which I have mentioned in the past but that is the situation today. Technology will dictate that we move forward. It is my hope that we can maintain a reputation for quality as we do so.

You continue to make allegations of theft. You should put your money where your mouth is. What individual is putting money in his pocket that is not accounted for in the audited financial statements?

I maintain that the annual audited financial statements are proof that the CWB is open and accountable. I also maintain that the CWB earns premiums in the market place.

Theft is a criminal offence and if you know something that I don't know you should be going to the RCMP. Otherwise you are welcome to disagree with the system and you can disagree with my analysis of the performance. That is fair ball. But lets use the appropriate terminology.

[Incognito]

Re WTO and CWB:

Don't believe all the briefing notes you get from Winnipeg, Vader. The Trade Minister thinks differently.

WTO framework agreement inked: Two Canadian measures which protect agriculture may come under attack as a result of a plan approved by the WTO on the weekend, Canada's trade minister says. There's no doubt the WTO is not going to be a friend of either supply management or the Canadian Wheat Board," Trade Minister Jim Peterson said after the deal was signed. The framework deal approved by consensus of the 147 members of the WTO will: Cut export subsidies on farm products; cut import duties on farm products and require state trading enterprises to stop trade-distorting activities. The WTO plan is not final; it just sets the general outline for detailed negotiations, starting in September. But the European Union's attitude is clear. "In our view, in the way the wheat board operates, we think there are certain elements of export subsidization involved," Franz Fischler, the EU's commissioner for agriculture, rural development and fisheries, said in June. "If we now discuss the total phasing out of export subsidization, then all forms mean all forms from the Canadian Wheat Board. This must be absolutely clear and there can't be any doubt," he added. The agreement could threaten the survival of the board, said Ken Ritter, board chairman. (CBC.CA)

. “It was one against 146,'' Canada's International Trade Minister Jim Peterson said. ``We had absolutely no allies at the negotiating table, so there's no doubt that the WTO is not going to be a friend of either supply management or the CWB”

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/08/02/wheat040802

[Incognito]

Vader:

Further to your previous reply to me.

Wheat wars has been all about price transparency and predatory pricing.

What if the US and EU would let farmers keep the govt guarantees if the CWB was price transparent and didnt predatory price?

[parsley]

I have to quit going to auction sales. Sorry I'm late, it does sound like briefing notes, Incognito!

1. The CWB has no legal monopoly control over farmers who have never offered their grain to the Board.

Henry Monk was one of the main authors of the CWB Act and in Access to Information papers he recognized that the Wartime CWB Act, which stated that farmers "shall" sell their grain to the Board was not constitutional in peace time. It is expropriation.

The CWB Act avoided a constitutional conflict by stating in the new Act, that the CWB will buy grain "offered" to it . There is no legislated monopoly. The CWB only has a monopoly because the CWB won't issue licenses in the DA. Rod Flaman called this a hoax.

2. I would be interested, Vader to see if the CWB has put back the money they stole, yes, stole, out of farmers' pooling accounts to attend Liberal fundraisers in Winnipeg. Has the money has been put back?

3. Farmer control? The farmer is to the CWB as the ring is to Svend. And the CWB needs their 'lookout', ... the Government of Canada, to provide and enforce the Canada Grain Act, the Canadian Grain Commission Act, Canada Customs, police (jailing),etc. and all the other little goodies that make up the "orderly marketing" heist.

Parsley

[parsley]

taken from Parliament. Not my words:

Tue, 04 Jun 2002

Mr. Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker,

last Thursday 10 officials of the Canadian Wheat Board attended the now
famous Liberal Party fundraiser in Winnipeg at a price tag of at least $400 each. The money for the tickets was taken from prairie wheat farmers who are forced to participate in this monopoly. Forcing farmers to donate their hard-earned money to the Liberal Party is clearly wrong.

Does the Prime Minister not see this as a highly unethical practice?

Hon. Don Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the
House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, approximately two years ago a
directive was issued that crown corporations were not to make contributions to political parties. I committed myself at that time that if any of them did, the money would be returned.

An hon. member: That's not a crown corporation.

Mr. Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, it goes beyond that. The government appointed five of the directors present at the Liberal Party fundraiser. They clearly contravened the code of conduct guidelines for directors of the Canadian Wheat Board. These guidelines state: "A director's political activities must be clearly separated from activities related to his or her appointment".

Does the Prime Minister support his wheat board officials violating their
own code of conduct and what will they do about it?

Hon. Ralph Goodale (Minister of Public Works and Government Services,
Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board and Federal Interlocutor
for Métis and Non-Status Indians, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I have no personal
knowledge at all of the matters that the hon. gentleman alleges, but quite
frankly, I take the allegations seriously.

I will make the appropriate inquiries and if any guidelines have in fact
been contravened corrective action will be taken.


How good are the Liberals and the CWB at putting back money into the pooling accounts, Agri-villers?

Parsley

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