Milling Oats vs Milling Wheat

[parsley]

Vader,
Why are you so hung up on what the numbers are? Shouldn't the principles be consistent?

Or are you hinting that a flour mill that kicks out 300 bags per day isn't able to provide as much "co-operation incentive" as the mill that kicks out 30,000 bags per day?

At the beginning of this thread, JACKFLASH said, "...the 70's ..selling oats ...getting 98 cents/bu. and maybe another 30 cents.
Now you can bank on 2.00/bu, by forward pricing."

As a producer, JACKFLASH not only can sell the oats he grows, but he can value-add if he choses. An idea foreign to the Board.

My point is I cannot sell the flour made from my own grain into the USA because the Board will not allow it.

Value-adding becomes uneconomical for producers looking to expand. DA farmers don't deserve a Western strangler like the Wheat Board.

Producers are looking for change. Big time change. The kind of change, Vader, that will make any argument you make, irrelevant.

Parsley

[Vader]

I am interested in the numbers because you are mixing things up. First you say that the CWB will not allow flour exports from individuals into the US. This is not so.

Then you say that the CWB makes it uneconomical for producers to export into the US. Show me the numbers.

[parsley]

Vader,

Flour made from producer-held grain that has never gone through the Board, cannot export.

Non Wheat Board flour is not the same as flour/(wht) bought from the Wheat Board.

Non-wheat Board flour puts money in the my pocket.

Flour that has passed through the Board makes the staff larger and me poor

Parsley

[silverback]

Why did Vader not answer my questions? Again? The Liberals are good at not answering direct questions either.

[silverback]

Vader, who cares if this is hypothetical? Just answer the questions that have been asked, if you can.

Is there another website somewhere where more CWB people hang out? Perhaps the CWB have hired Vader to specifically work on this web site. I wonder how much it pays? Funny how no others will wade in on it, they must look in every now and then?

[parsley]

Silverback,

Direct questions, for sure, but never answers, only evasion. Not a disconnect either, just an evasion.

1.Maybe we're not asking the right Board-friendly questions.

2. Maybe there are %500.00 per evening per diems.

3.Maybe Vader aced the Evasion 101 class the Board teaches.

By the way, does anyone online sell directly to the distilleries? They buy volumes and volumes of grain. For example, the distillery at Gimlii, Manitoba where they make Crown Royal Whiskey?

Parsley

[silverback]

It really is ridiculous.

I try and ask simple questions that should be very easy to answer, instead they are either ignored or twisted. I have a feeling that perhaps this is getting a little too close to answering the legitimate question as to what purpose the board serves. If they have only evolved to keeping the feed grain sector happy and to stopping any possible competition in the flour industry, they have lost their way. Why else would they make it so difficult to process and export your own product?

We shipped some rye to Alberta Distillers a few years back. Pretty simple and good people to deal with.

[TOM4CWB]

Vader;

I can not direct contract with my local Miller at a set pre-contracted price.

I can sell to anyone in the Canola Industry... years into the future... at a set price. And we do this... and have done it for years.

Show me how a direct pre-priced connection is allowed between my farm and a Miller, for HRS, HWS, HRW or Durum.

This is what extracting a premium is all about... allowing a relationship that is profitable for everyone in the chain!

AND THAT IS A CERTAINTY that we could all appreciate!

Where does the CWB accomodate this type of healthy relationship Vader?

[Vader]

What a bunch of whiners. Just because you disagree with the CWB and you want out, doesn't mean that it is going to be so.

The purpose of the CWB (IMHO as T4 would say), is to prevent farmers from competing with farmers and driving down the price of grain. This goes back to the 1920's when the prairie grain pools were formed by farmers. Even then there were many who disagreed and would not join.

Today we have single desk selling which is legislated. Just like we have legislated anti-smoking laws, seat belt laws and parking laws (which apparently can get you sent to jail).

Parsley you can whine all you want, quote chapter and verse of the Act where you think there is a potential loophole.

Wedino, you can find fault with advertising campaigns. I suppose you also found fault with the "bull" add.

Silverback, ask me again. I am so confused by your multiple questions.

We all post here for one reason only. We get our jollies from making our points to the 10 or so anti-wheat board participants. (Oh and that one other person who does not post and we think might be swung over to our thinking).

We should all get a life.

[parsley]

That rant has the resonance of a fully trained, unaccountable Liberal,that just graduated at the top of Minister Alcock's big L class, sporting a fully developed 'culture of entitlement' attitude.

Getting back to distilleries....do they buy grain directly from producers, or do they buy CWB grain?
Does 'whiskey grain' go through the Board or bypass the Board? Silverback, rye is not a Board grain (THank goodness), charliep, do you know anyone selling wht/bly directly to distilleries? There are distilleries right across Canada.


For example, the CWB allows ethanol plants to bypass Board marketing and Board pooling and sell directly to ethanol plants. That's CWB policy today. They chose to discard marketing and pooling in this case.

BUT

If if I try and sell that same wht/bly to a buyer in Utah,Vader will claim that sale 'hurts Board marketing and pooling and I will be denied the export license.

Here again, it's the producer who is hobbled by the CWB.


Parsley

[silverback]

I am not trying to convince anyone to switch sides Vader, I just want simple answers

I asked you whether I can operate a flour mill using my grain on my farm?
Can I operate a flour mill using my own grain if that mill is in a city or town?? Can I process that flour into some other product and sell it to whoever I want?? Do those products have to be sold in Western Canada? Do those products have to be sold in Canada? Can those products be sold in the U.S.?? Europe?? Africa??

Simple questions. If you want me to double space them to make it easier, just let me know.

[TOM4CWB]

Silverback;

1. The mill will need to be non-commercial... on your own property for your own use.

2. You will be given an exemption by the CWB... at their own leasure... because they feel it is the right thing to do... not because the CWB Act requires them to do so.

3. Right now the exemption allows you to move intra-provincial and export into other provinces within Canada... without buyback from the CWB pool accounts.

4. There are no other exemptions or conditions that I am aware of... Vader can add some more if he knows of more.

5. I have no clue how long contractually your exemption would be in force for...

Until the CWB considers you a "commercial" milling business... I believe are the words used...

At which time you will lose your exemption and be required to buy your grain for milling from the CWB.

Does this help?

You can take a milling course from:

International Association of Operative Millers

5001 College Blvd., Suite 104
Leawood, Kansas USA
66211-1618

www.iaom.info
info@iamo.info

This year it costed $612.50 and is done by mail by Cooespondence Course 1 thru 5... with $175 of this for Active Membership Dues.

If interested you can call them at 913.338.3377 they are great folks and very helpful!