"Designated Area" WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE 1993?

[wmoebis]

Right on Jman
IMHO this is where we have to start. Reinvent the wheel.
We have let the system that our forefathers set up for us take control. Although some of us didn't agree it was done anyhow. It hasn't worked for us. Maybe it has for the shareholders of the companies.
The co-ops&UFA have just become another retail store, the elevators are only interested in bottom line.
When does everyone get mad enough to do something. After we are all broke and can't afford to.

[RandyH]

Happy New Year All

Tom
I may have been to nice on Goodale. If what you say is true then he needs to be tried for treason of western Canada....
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Why did the RCMP decide to investigate right now and not 45 days from now...IS it because they know the bunch in Ottawa is corrupt and this is there way of telling Canadians to deal with it? I sense that we are going to have to hire a bunch of special prosecutors to process all the criminal acts the Liberals have been engaged in over the last x years...at the same time hopefully they will look at the CWB conection to the liberal party....let see all the liberals hired..5 directors...1 campaign manager...1 liberal party executive....
Polling Paid by CWB for the benefit of the liberal party.(why do farmers need Pollin)and on and on and on

[MBFarmer1]

HI Guys, couldn't help but notice over the course of this thread that the same theme was coming up over and over again. "Look what the government has done to us", "Look what Ralph Goodale has done to us." On nearly all of the issues discussed in this thread farmers were given the chance to change their fate. I am thinking very specifically about how we gave the Crow Rate away for a pittance one time payment. Why do we come out on the short end of many of these negotiations? Why did we give the crow away? Pretty simple really. We as farmers are not prepared to look after our own interests. In Manitoba alone I can, off the top of my head, name ten farm groups (excluding supply mangement)who say they represent me. Our lobby efforts are so underfunded, under researched, and schizophrenic that while we fight amongst ourselves the government does what it wants. Division among the farm lobby is the greatest asset the LIberals have in western Canada. If we are to prosper we need to stop accusing the government of screwing us and learn to sacrifice some of our ideals so we can work together.

[TOM4CWB]

MBFarmer1;

Ralphie G set out some real goals in 94 and 95 for our grain industry... that are supposed to be in action today according to his plan.

He is in charge of Canada today, but what has become of these plans?

Why are we chicken to actually go throgh the list and do an analisis?

If Ralphie G is so proud of his record, integrety etc. what are the fruit/actions/results of his 10 year plan?

Let's dig up the plan from 1993-95... and confront Ralph straight on... put up or let someone else be the leader!

Are the Conservatives up to this Challenge?

[Incognito]

Congrats MBFarmer:

You have nailed what it will take to change status quo. And if you want a model to follow, look no further than the Quebec model. Farm groups fight like hell behind closed doors BUT have a unified position when they leave.

Who is on the government's case about loss of the government CWB guarantees?

No one. IF that were to occur in ON or PQ, hell would freeze over.

Have a better New Year everyone.

Take this one thought forward with you into 2006.

The only one responsible for your well being is you.

Not the Liberals, Conservatives, REG or the CWB.

What are you going to do in 2006 to change the status quo?

[wmoebis]

What would it be like if we had $10 wheat $15 canola etc.? Frieght would go uprespectively along with chem. fuel, repairs. We would be no better off. We would be at the bank asking for bigger lines of credit, they would give and we would be under bigger stress.
Can the FNA get enough glyphos to cover every acre? Grain, oilseed, hay land. Put the scare out there see what happens. If we can't make our payments growing grain why grow it. There will be a lot of cheap machinery and land to get back in. If we want to.
Look at the stats on the NFU web about how much absolutly every constituancy makes on agri. Take note of the amounts that are listed in the consituancies that our AG leaders represent. Lowest there is. I think everyone will listen to such a scare.
Wharehouserin PA. says it will close it's production, all of sudden all H. breaks out over a couple thousand jobs. Gov't bail outs tax incentives the list goes on.
Or we can sit here die a slow death let the industry control us and do what they think we do best, WHINE.

[ALLFARMER]

What?? $15 Canola?? she's $4 flat here.

[Jman]

someday, $4.00 canola will be considered the good old days.