conservative victory & the CWB

[sawfly]

it amazes me how the anti board posters can talk out of a different side of their mouth every time .
that damn board wont sell durham cheaper to local pasta plants, how are we ever gonna get any secondary industry, value added industry.

that damn board sells malt to the maltsters way too cheap. (which i agree with)but with no mention when malt was 4-5$

when oats came off the board prices fell because Why. oh there were no millers etc. Not that the open market would only pay 1/2 what the board was getting in the same market.

i got 200$ /acre for oats in 86, they couldnt find that miller i guess, or we did with out cheerios for 2 years.

but after 2 years of low prices the open market got their act together(just for the farmers sake) and prices rallied.
Not that after low returns me and a lot of others quit growing oats, kinda like an open market.

dont get me wrong ,malt barley at under 4$ is insane.lots of things are insane.

The board going, is not the end of the earth. however there are going a couple more mouths to feed, cargil adm etc. we are gonna need some US style subsides so theres something left for Mr. farmer at the end of the trough.

[sawfly]

Sawfly I'm not complaining about 4-5.00 malt. My beef is now, do you really think the Board is selling malt to Prarie Malt for 2.30/bus. If you do you are very ignorant. There is a huge shortage right now of malt and we have horrible prices on it. Dominion,Prariemalt,etc, are not importing barley right now from Australia, and China cheaper than 2.30, and they are paying alot more than 2.30 so where is the money???? Someone is pocketing it, Prarie malt wants to deal with farmers direct but can't because of the CWB. Why is that???

[Jman]

TOM4CWB:

My thought is pooling and cooperation amoungst farmers usually occurs when an indusrty is evolving.

Once it begins to mature, the hog farms will consolidate, then one or two multinational packers will buy up the entire supplychaing (from feedmills to hog genetics). Basically leaving the very large hog barn owners at the mercy of their control.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Alberta takes a different path and doesnt allow this to happen, so the farmers maintain control as far up the supply chain as possible.

[sawfly]

i am not sure how malt barley is priced for the domestic market.
I think i have the general gist of it but please correct me if im wrong.
I assume the domestic price is based on the export price in store vancover.

in canada if you had an open market, price for malt would be all they have to pay to get it. correct.

in years with ample malt supply in west can.the price would be the world price, less the freight to vancover, plus whatever premium over the feed market it takes to bring it in the door. right.
in years with poor malt supply in west can.(which i assume we are in now) the maltsters would have to pay world price plus freight from vancover.

under the board the Cdn.maltsters pay the export price for the malt.so the freight is added to the pool account.
net is world price instore van. for every bushell of malt.so the farmer would gain the freight back on every bushel malted domesticaly.

in our current situation a open market would net anyone with malt a premium over the board.
but when you think about all the other years when we got a 1$ bush. (freight back)over what an open market would have delivered . im certainly open for corrections. fire away

[sawfly]

toughgoofit
i know you think the cwb is stealing some of your malt barley money.And i'm sure there are some liberals who work there.(* which would make you wonder) but really i think its a little far fetched.
i cant stand the price of malt even though i dont have any. the board must be more open even if private enities arent. Why ? because its our board.and farmers like yourself have lost faith.

[sawfly]

Sawfly I agree with you, people are starting to lose faith, mabye most of has to do with the corrupt Liberals and its getting passed to the CWB. The malt barley I could be wrong also I guess thats why I read these threads to see what other guys are thinking.

[lakenheath]

My problem with Malt Barley and CWB is that in southern Saskatchewan we may not get the yield of the northern boys buy our qualtiy is second to none.

The CWB mixes our top notch malt with lower quality from the north and that is what the maltsers are stuck with. So we can't get a premium for our quality and maltsters can't pick and choose which farmers they want to pay a premium to. Both sides are screwed by the CWB.

[Pulseman]

About Malt. Who sells the malt direct to the CWB? Go to the malster of your choice first, once he accepts your malt, deal the terms, bonus above CWB, paid to you direct, not the board. Freight paid to you, not the CWB, it works, try it. If he does not accepts, then your malt is not good enough and between feed and spec. select and you go the the CWB. (at this time and don't get your hopes up with the torries to make any fast changes)

[Pulseman]

Lakenheath what would you call top quality malt?? We grow pretty good malt here in the north. Pulseman have you done this yourself? I don't understand how this can work by avoiding the CWB. I tried it some years back and was not allowed to deal direct with the maltsters.

[wd9]

Funny how 90% of the posts rarely deal with the original question and are so quickly sidetracked.