CWB Market Canola

[Vader]

How many tonnes of canola find their way from Saskatchewan to Velva? Very very few is my understanding.

Freight issues are real. They form part of the basis. Basis needs to narrow to attract deliveries. In the case of Velva and Carrington there must be some strong incentives to overcome the negative freight issues.

[charliep]

Most of the Velva catchment area would be in Manitoba but there is pull from all of southeastern Saskatchewan - perhaps even more more that St. Agathe is running.

Keeping the topic on canola, lets assume two bio diesel plants are equal freight distance/cost from a final product market. One plant is in a surplus area (lots of canola over and above what the plant will need). The other a deficit area (needs to import canola from other regions). The plant in the surplus area likely could buy canola for cheaper than the one in the deficit with the difference equal to the trucking cost between the two plants (other things equal). The difference in price would be a competitive advantage to locate in the surplus area.

How would a single desk seller price into these two markets? What impact would this have on an industries decision to locate?

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie;

WHy do you bring up the "single desk" issue when IMHO it is not an option?

Or, am I wrong, and you know something I do not Vader/Charlie?

For the CWB to be competitive it needs to market more than wheat and barley.

IMHO Canola bought from the competitive market place seems to be a logical 1st step in the upcoming new CWB marketing environment.

[wd9]

The same thing happens with maltsters. If I have a characteristic the maltsters want I get no added value for it. I get the PRO regardless - like actually having dry grain this year. Investing in drying equipment would have been a good plan, but, the pool takes that advantage away. The fundamental problem with pooling is those who wish to do the extra to make a unique attribute are penalized and those who grow just to barely spec are rewarded.

This would kill the canola industry and the associated dollars in investment. The future of canola is IP, other alternative uses, value added etc and the archaic system of bulk movements with bulk social payments would not improve my bottom line it would hurt it by taking my premium and paying it to those who slip by.

Fine, call me a capitilist.

[cowman]

The reality is this: The CWB is an old socialist/communist system that should and must be done away with in this modern reality? The days of "communism" are over?
Why would anyone in their right mind want to destroy a modern industry with a mindset out of the thirties!
The bio gas industry might very well be destroyed using idiotic ideologies from the depression...but come on this isn't 1933!
The CWB is a dinosaur that needs to be put to bed? The idea that this ineffiecient government agency has any role to play in a new industry is frankly a slap in the face to anyone who values his freedom?

[Vader]

Sorry Charlie, I tend to agree with TOM. I don't see canola functioning under a single desk. I see the CWB marketing canola as an adjunct to its current business. I would see the CWB receiving producer cars of canola and selling it to those same customers that currently purchase wheat and barley. As an "add on" to the single desk I think that the CWB could be very competitive. Just think about how we could spread out our fixed costs.

[TOM4CWB]

Vader;

You scare me.

NO "ADD ON's" allowed... just compete for my wheat, barley, and canola.

If the CWB itself doesn't believe it has any good will value, from operations of over 60 years... what does this say? A total failure in business management/and providing service... is what it would tell me.

Have we come to this point Vader? The admission that the CWB is useless? If it is, why on earth would I want it to market my Canola?

Vader, you saw Chaffmiesters posts on grain handling. I consider them honest assesments valid on Jan. 30, 2006. You have not commented. Fine.

Richard Grey's studies are exactly as Chaff says... flawed and designed by the CWB to mislead.

The Auditor General was in the CWB at the pleasure of the CWB/CWB Minister in 2000. Goodale had a predetermined end result in mind... as did the CWB management and directors from the AG's report.

Either smells the coffee...

Or they circle around in smaller and smaller circles; until they disappear up their own orifices!

Our instructor taught us this one at our Advanced futures course in Edm. a couple of weeks ago.

He wasn't as kind in terminology though.

[Vader]

tom,

reciprocity

[TOM4CWB]

Vader;

10-4; reciprocity for marketing choice in wheat and barley = CWB allowed to market Canola in a choice enviroment.

I think we have a deal!

[wd9]

Sounds like we have a free market then. Now if only the real world were so easy - oh wait, it is, its called a plebiscite.

As Webster defines it, A vote by which the people of the entire country or district express an opinion for or against a proposal especially on a choice of government or ruler. Maybe then the CWB would stop ruling in a fog.

[TOM4CWB]

WD9;

Didn't we make that choice last Monday?

The CWB was so smart... to attack the Conservatives... against the Election Act... and put it on the line.

What % of elected MP's representing grain farmers in the CWB "designated area", last Monday, support the CWB single desk?

10%?

[rbrunel]

Tom,

Whether you are for the CWB or not. It is imperative that farmers and farmers only make the decision of what happends to the CWB. I did not elect Mr. Harper to gov't to dismantle the CWB. I think we as farmers should have a vote on where the CWB goes and not some gov't, Canadian or other. Then if you have good voter turn out you will democratically decide the fate of the CWB by the people it matters too.