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    #11
    Thanks for your comments. I encourage you continue working with the CWB tools. During any given day, I can be working on Alberta governments market choice policy, providing my thoughts to the CWB on the mechanics of the pricing tools and/advicing farmers how to use these tools. So if I seem like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, there is a reason.

    I just want to explore you comments on the CWB's control of delivery opportunities and comparison to canola. The situation this year for most crops is large supplies with quality challenges (at least on the cereals). At the same time, world crop production was large in 2005 and other factors such as currency have not worked in Canada's favor. There are lots of challenges this year and we can all look at the impact on price.

    I will raise the question as whether farmers can manage inventory decisions on their with price as a signal or do they need an agency that makes decisions for them using canola and wheat as examples. I will note that the situation is canola exports/crush are moving at levels above last year. Basis have been narrow at times which is a sign of good movement/buyers that require immediate supplies. Wheat exports are behind last year.

    Facts in grain movement.

    The grain industry system (handling and logistics) is based on flow. You can't have a system that does minimal business one month (perhaps when prices are poor) and expects to make up volumes the next month (perhaps when prices are high). There are other tools to manage price risk versus holding in the system.

    The industry also needs to think about customer needs (particularly those that pay the premium prices). Customers like Japan come in for constant amounts every month. You either meet these needs (with logistics in a just in time world critical) or they take their business elsewhere. You are then stuck with customers whose only criteria is price and we are at a competitive disadvantage with most other exporters just because of distance from port and ocean freight.

    Finally, you need to consider farmer needs. These include cash flow, profitability and storage (including issues around tough and damp grain stored in piles. Every farmer has different needs. I will comment that non board crops carry the weight these days on cash flow - a farmer needs money in the fall and canola/domestic feed grains/pulses carry the weight (acknowledging there are cash advances).

    I will agree that the CWB pricing tools have answered some of the issues around profitability/risk management with some discussion around mechanics/lack of competition. Both crops currently have depressed prices so neither system (pardon the expression) can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

    On the storage side (at least here in Northern Alberta), there is a big need to get grain into the elevator system to get it dried/moved. Farmers can move this grain into the feed system but it would be nice to have competition from an export market opportunity (particularly if the farmer thinks it will grade better than feed). The system decision about whether to accept has a major impact on that farmers viability.

    I raise these issues because the single versus open market is more than just price. There also needs to be discussion about all issues of CWB operation and the impact on the whole grain marekting system of living in a more "deregulated" environment.

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      #12
      yes movement is important, considering our system.
      what you are suggesting is,(OR AT LEAST HAVEING THE OPTION OF) is to move it anyway, whatever price and buy a futures position.to carry the priceing forward. Whether this being the board doing this or a farmer in a open market system.

      im not gonna say i understand the mechanics of all this but.

      lets assume this fall/winter we are pushing wheat out the door, does it all have a home. If we push too hard arent prices are bound to suffer.
      the buyer has locked in a low price.
      hes done.
      X amount of grain and demand is off the market,but with a price dropping effect in the near term cash,
      then you buy the futures to replace your sale what happens?
      what effect does all this have on the futures price and your ability to recapture losses on the low price sale.

      Taken to extreme does all the demand get filled at rock bottom prices and the futures positions become worthless.

      i know your suggesting the farmer should have more control in this area ,to get his pile off the ground ,but every action has a cost/benifit

      i dont know if a every man for himself is the best way to go or not

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        #13
        Sawfly;

        Grain is sold now, for next fall... if a farmer and a marketer/handler have a plan.

        It is not all sold on a daily base in the fall.

        The simplistic CWB explanation does not hold water... except if we don't have a marketing plan.

        Grain is sold and bought all year long.

        We sold the majority of our 2006 crop of Canola in the SPRING and FALL of 2005.

        I hope you understand what I mean now.

        Further much of the 2006 crop will not be sold into the market until the spring/summer of 2007.

        THis attitude that everyone will commit marketing suicide on the 31st of October 2006... if we have marketing choice is fearmongering.

        Much like we were told (by Liberal fearmongers) that the sun would not rise on the morning of Jan. 24/06... if the Conservatives were elected!

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