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    #16
    agstar77, You will find this post offensive because you have you seem not the least bit interested in the quality of food that farmers produce, anymore than you are concerned with the $returns the CWB produces.

    You know what you know and you just want more of the same.

    But lakenheath, you will be interested in this:

    Published on Saturday, March 4, 2006 by the Inter Press Service

    New Studies Back Benefits of Organic Diet

    by Stephen Leahy



    TORONTO, Canada - Organic foods protect children from the toxins in pesticides, while foods grown using modern, intensive agricultural techniques contain fewer nutrients and minerals than they did 60 years ago, according to two new scientific studies.

    A U.S. research team from Emory University in Atlanta analyzed urine samples from children ages three to 11 who ate only organic foods and found that they contained virtually no metabolites of two common pesticides, malathion and chlorpyrifos.

    However, once the children returned to eating conventionally grown foods, concentrations of these pesticide metabolites quickly climbed as high as 263 parts per billion, says the study published Feb. 21.

    Organic crops are grown without the chemical pesticides and fertilizers that are common in intensive agriculture.

    There was a "dramatic and immediate protective effect" against the pesticides while consuming organically grown foods, said Chensheng Lu, an assistant professor at the Rollins School of Public Health at Emory University.

    These findings, in addition to the results of another study published in Britain earlier this month, have fueled the debate about the benefits of organically grown food as compared to conventional, mass-produced foods, involving academics, food and agro-industry executives and activists in the global arena.

    According to the new British analysis of government nutrition data on meat and dairy products from the 1930s and from 2002, the mineral content of milk, cheese and beef declined as much as 70 percent in that period.

    "These declines are alarming," Ian Tokelove, spokesman for The Food Commission that published the results of the study, told Tierramérica. The Commission is a British non-governmental organization advocating for healthier, safer food.

    The research found that parmesan cheese had 70 percent less magnesium and calcium, beef steaks contained 55 percent less iron, chicken had 31 percent less calcium and 69 percent less iron, while milk also showed a large drop in iron along with a 21 percent decline in magnesium.

    Copper, an important trace mineral (an essential nutrient that is consumed in tiny quantities), also declined 60 percent in meats and 90 percent in dairy products.

    "It seems likely that intensive farming methods are responsible for this," Tokelove said from his office in London.

    Although controversial, a number of other studies have also found differences between conventionally produced foods and foods grown organically or under more natural conditions.

    Organic fruits and vegetables had significantly higher levels of cancer-fighting antioxidants, according to a 2003 study in Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

    The organic plants produced these chemical compounds to help fight off insects and competing plants, researchers said.

    A 2001 report by Britain's Soil Association looked at 400 nutritional research studies and came to similar conclusions: foods grown organically had more minerals and vitamins.

    "Modern plant breeding for quick growth and high yields could also be affecting the nutritional quality," says Katherine Tucker, director of the nutritional epidemiology program at Tufts University in the northeastern U.S. city of Boston, Massachusetts.

    Lower levels of minerals in food we eat is cause for concern, she says, stressing that "magnesium, calcium and other minerals are very important for proper nutrition."

    Good nutrition and exercise are the major factors that can make a difference in the incidence of many diseases, including cancer, according to Tucker.

    She recommends eating unprocessed foods, meat from free-range animals, and grains, fruits and vegetables grown organically or at least using more natural farming methods.

    Farmers in other parts of the world should not adopt the intensive farming practices of North America or Europe, says Ken Warren, a spokesman with The Land Institute, based in the central U.S. state of Kansas.

    "It's an unsustainable system that relies heavily on chemical fertilizers... to keep yields high and produces 'hollow food'," Warren told Tierramérica.

    "Hollow food" contains insufficient nutrition and is suspected in playing a role in the rapid rise in obesity, as people may be eating more in order to get the nutrition they need, he said.

    Crops take minerals, trace elements and other things from the soil every year. All that modern agriculture puts back into the land are some chemical fertilizers which do not replace all that has been lost, Warren said.

    Moreover, herbicides and insecticides kill microorganisms in the soil that play an important role in maintaining soil fertility and helping plants grow.

    Pesticide residues in modern agriculture are another cause for concern. A 2003 University of Washington study found that children eating organic fruits and vegetables had concentrations of pesticide six times lower than children eating conventional produce.

    The Land Institute advocates what it calls "natural systems agriculture." This involves the use of perennial crops in polycultures, that is, planting several different crops together as has been practiced in traditional gardens and farm plots in many parts of the world.

    "Farmers in other parts of the world should learn from American agriculture's mistakes. Looking to nature is a better model for farming," Warren said.

    Stephen Leahy is a Tierramérica contributor. Originally published Feb. 24 by Latin American newspapers that are part of the Tierramérica network. Tierramérica is a specialized news service produced by IPS with the backing of the United Nations Development Program and the United Nations Environment Program.

    © Copyright 2006 IPS - Inter Press Service

    Parsley

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      #17
      I agree we should all stop using pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers. We should all turn off our tractors and trucks. Yeah in an ideal world all is possible, I wish.

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        #18
        Agstar77. We don't have to go from one extreme to the next. Rather promote awareness. Change is not going to happen overnite. We have got ourselves into a mess right now.

        I know hindsight is 20-20, but imagine this. If back in the 1960's research and developement efforts would have focused on improved organic production methods, soil fertility improvement without sinthetic fertilizers, and improved yielding varieties that competed well with weeds we would not be in the mess we are in today.

        It seemed great back then. Cheap chemical, cheap fertilizer....it worked really well. We grew great and cheap crops and got good money. So what if we were doing a little poisining of society. That is what hospitals are for, to take care or the sick.

        But, like it said, if research efforts were focused on an organic approach, our soils would be healthier, our ground water would be healthier, our children would be healthier and out bottom line would be healthier. We would not be over-producing like we are today and we would not be spending $50.00 to $100.00 per acres on fertilizer, chemical and fungicides.

        I am not so stupid as to expect we go back to that overnight, but it a direction that is sustainable in the long-term.

        I don't like a future with ???? in fertilizer prices, ????? in cost of chemicals to combat resistant weeds (which are coming faster than we realize), and super-crops that continue to flood the would grain stocks to the point where our increase in production is sadly off-set by lower commodity prices and high inputs.

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          #19
          Yes, all fine and good , but who will bell the cat? Government won't move because it's citizens want cheap food. Will all the chemical companies and fertilizer companies switch? Will we stop promoting GMO's like the Canola growers and the Grain Growers associations? Should we say all chemicals are bad? Very difficult questions with no correct answers. As farmers all we can do is survive and try to to do the best we can with existing tech.

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            #20
            agstar,

            One of the things that I find really a positive occurence among farmers is their willingness to share techniques, skills, agronomic experiences and new ways to make work a little lighter.

            We learn from experience.

            In the 70's when our transformer got hit by lightning in the last week in Novemeber, (go figure), I helped our electrician clean up the gooey mess, not knowing then what I know now. We all learn how we could have done things differently. Caution gets built in. Times change, and knowledge advances. And farmers ask more questions.

            We all learn things at our own speed, but we really have to bell our own cats. Government won't. Belinda won't. Rick Mercer might try for fun.

            If farmers sit around and wait for the Governments to come out with $Billion payments, it's not going to happen.

            You don't need someone to tell you what is best for you on your farm. Waiting for something to happen only sets yourelf up for failure.

            I took a short afternoon course in options and puts and trading, and bulls and bears, and even paid for it, melville, but you know, agstar, conventional farmers, no, all farmers, need to learn the skills that can make them more money than the CWB makes for you.

            Your decision to want the Board or not to want the Board is then based upon your knowledge and skills.

            Yearning for Government will get you exactly where you are right now. Chasing yields. Limitless expenses. No profit. And a headache.

            agstar, in your postings, you remind me of the old bull that heads straight for the exact same stall in the barn, waiting to be tied up.

            If you want more of the same.....I cannot argue.

            Parsley

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              #21
              Did those courses teach you that options are merely risk management tools ,not wealth producers? I change my farm practices but only when it makes sense and I believe it is beneficial for all. When the Crow rate was eliminated ,farmers such as yourself said it would lead to prosperity and more value added . Guess what the Crow is gone and no one noticed benefits but they certainly noticed the added costs, So before I jump off the cliff , I want to know that Agriculture will be better for it.

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                #22
                P/S. Better an old bull than a young s....!!

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                  #23
                  Agstar 77 Re: Will we stop promoting GMO's like the Canola growers and the Grain Growers associations?

                  What do you mean by this?

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                    #24
                    What I learned is that options are risk management tools USED BY those producing wealth.

                    Value-added does not happen because the CWB will not allow it to happen. Just ask the pasta growers who tried to value add. The CWB stopped value-adding in it's tracks; which certainly benefitted Italy, but not Westerners.

                    Your conclusions are based upon what you have learned, agstar, and you demand more of the same. Enjoy.

                    Parsley

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                      #25
                      GMO's were approved before markets would accept them and before all the safety studies were done. The CCGA was in such a hurray to promote them we had our european market closed to canola. Like I said look before you jump. If someone wishes to jump off the cliff, by all means let him, but all of us don't have to end up in the hospital with him.

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                        #26
                        There were no pasta growers , just durum growers. As I understand it was the business plan that did them in not the CWB, but then your mind is made up that it's someone else to blame.

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                          #27
                          Re options as “wealth producers”:
                          If risk management does not help in producing wealth, why do it?

                          Let’s remember that risk = cost. The higher the risk, the higher the cost. Any time you can reduce or manage risk, you are reducing or managing cost. For example, without a means to offset price risk, grain merchandisers need to widen their margins. “Need to” – because the times the market moves against them, they lose in a big way. Yes, sometimes the market moves in their favour, too. Over the long haul, their “expected return” would be smaller than you think – but only because they were trying for big margins. The big payoffs are meant to pay for the big losses. When managing their risk properly with futures and/or options, they can narrow their margins dramatically – the end user pays less and the producer gets more.

                          If you don’t think that risk management – which includes futures, options, hedging in cash markets, hedging forex, contracting of all sorts, (even crop insurance) and so forth – is a “wealth producer”, I would beg to differ.

                          So Agstar77 – if you were taught at an option course that options are “merely risk management tools, not wealth producers”, I’m afraid your instructor failed you.

                          By the way - I like Parsley's answer too - options are tools used by those creating wealth. Very applicable as well.

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                            #28
                            Unless you are an option trader , options simply lock in a value for your product which create the wealth, options in themselves do not create anything. I suggest very few option traders make money, however the exchange that sells you the option always makes money.

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                              #29
                              Agstar77, you wrote:

                              When the Crow rate was eliminated ,farmers such as yourself said it would lead to prosperity and more value added . Guess what the Crow is gone and no one noticed benefits but they certainly noticed the added costs, So before I jump off the cliff , I want to know that Agriculture will be better for it.

                              And you also wrote:

                              Like I said look before you jump. If someone wishes to jump off the cliff, by all means let him, but all of us don't have to end up in the hospital with him.

                              Well, If I recall the removal of the crow did have a positive impact on the livestock industry. Along with some other regulatory changes like removing the pork boards monopolies, there was an incentive to keep feed grain on the prairies, the cattle feeding industry grew in Alberta, the pork industry grew in Manitoba. Maple Leaf built a huge new processing plant in Brandon. I don’t know if those changes had an effect on the expansion of canola crush capacity but I do recall it was about that time that Cargill built it’s Saskatoon crush plant. Of course BSE happened but that is something totally unrelated to this discussion, which has had a negative impact on the cattle industry. So as a result of these regulatory changes, growing feed grains became quite profitable for grain growers, that was until the 2004 frost which created a massive glut of feed grains on the prairies. Thus leaving the export market to buy up the oversupply. But feed grain exports can’t happen freely, the CWB controls them and, well, here we are today. Anyone with an unvarnished eye can see that this system can’t properly sell large quantities of feed wheat and especially feed barley. And that’s because the CWB single desk pooling system won’t or can’t use price to attract the feed grain into their hands. 7 cents per bushel feed barley initial price is proof of the CWB’s failed response to the unfortunate frost of 2004. This Agstar77 in undeniable and is un-defendable.

                              On your jumping off cliffs comments, who’s business was it, other than the duram growers who wanted to add value by making pasta whether there business plan was good or not. It should be none of the CWB’s business or your business or my business what others think and what risks others are prepared to take. You yourself said “ If someone wishes to jump off the cliff, by all means let him,…” To even suggest it was the Duram growers business plan tells me that you will accept anything the CWB propaganda dept. says, because it’s gospel. Even though it go against a principle (the cliff thing) that you believe in. This is why I have a hard time taking most Wheat Board supporters seriously. The blinders are a dead giveaway to a futile discussion and debate. The pasta project failed because the CWB wanted it to fail, period, nothing else. The business plan was built on the premise of zero restrictions and zero buy back of farmer/investor deliveries to the plant. The CWB said no-way and that’s where it ended. The CWB killed it.

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                                #30
                                Agstar77 - You are quite misinformed - here is what really happened. CFIA and Health Canada approved the technology in 1997ish. Also did the EU, and the United states, and Japan - our markets for canola. However after the product was grown in Canada - Europe changed their mind on accepting GMO's. Canada continued to grow GMO's hoping Europe would change there mind, after all approval is science based - right? That is what happened.

                                In order to continue growing GMO's the Canola Council, Candian Canola Growers, Grain Growers of Canada all support the policy of science based regulatory and approval - not utlizing socio-political factors that the EU now uses and was recently ruled against by the WTO decision on the moratorium. The other thing is the EU is not a very big market anyways. To fill the need for biodiesel in Germany, oil from a GMO canola can be crushed and shipped there anyways.

                                With biosafety protocols and adventitious presence issues, Canada can't grow non GMO canola anymore to zero level inclusion, so either they support it and push forward with science based regs or we simply don't grow canola anymore. While the push is on for realistic AP levels in shipments, it is a slow train on movement.

                                So, now you understand where those organizations are coming from, and why it is important during things like the Percy trial, anti-gmo demonstrations, false media, and the loom burnings that go on in Ottawa, for the canola industry, we have to stay the course or we don't grow canola in the future because, big surprise, the world isn't fair.

                                Make sense?

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