CWB

[Incognito]

its not just the CWB, Sawfly...

its the entire "game"...and you want to ensure the "game" continues...

how did you construe "game" to the CWB in my post...

What is your answer to the current farm income crisis?

[AdamSmith]

Jagfarms, yeah, I think I disagree.

How many of you watch the CTV/ABC TV program "LOST". My wife and I quite enjoy it. It is about people being stranded on a deserted island in the pacific after their passenger plane crash landed on the island. This is a very strange island with many bizarre plots and subplot happening.

Anyway one of the subplots, if you will, centers around this bunker that some type of bizarre experiment has been taking place for several years, maybe even more than twenty years. In this bunker is an old computer and a time counter on the wall. The time counter counts down from 120 (min)but before the counter reaches zero someone must type in a number code and hit enter in order to reset the clock to 120. So there has been a person on this island, typing in the number code and hitting enter every hour and a half for twenty years. They have been doing it because they were told that if they didn't some horrific and catastrophic event would take place. This person had no clue what that might be but he didn't want to risk finding out.

So alone come some of the plane crash survivors and he bolts out of there and tell them the need to reset the continuously running counter before time runs out. One guy says it's a hoax and that nothing would happen and that the experiment was to demonstrate how people can be persuaded to do the most ridiculous things based solely on their fear of the unknown. Another guy decided that they better not let the counter reach zero. So they keep resetting the clock.

Well it's the same thing with wheat marketing on the prairies. The CWB has proven that people will believe and fear the most bizarre, unbelievable and unproven things. And just like the shows characters, wheat farmers on the prairies are "LOST"

[AdamSmith]

Parsley, well done.

[carebear300]

The silly part of this whole arguement is that I never heard anybody say that there still couldn't be a wheat board, just let us that want to market our own wheat in our way do it. It really doesn't seem to be such a complex concept does it?????

[wmoebis]

Questions?
Are you all talking about only organic wheat being non board?

Would non board be sold under Canadian grade names and specs?

If not how would it be insured that board and non board would not get co-mingled at primary or terminals?

[parsley]

carebear300,

This is an easy concept, but you should pay close attention to what incognito says about playing the game, and why the terminals are working against farmers when you read this:

http://www.world-grain.com/articlearchives/archive_article.asp?ArticleID=67446
World Grain, October 1, 2003


CANADA — ARCTIC SEAPORT GETS GOVERNMENT FUNDING

The Port of Churchill and the Hudson Bay Railway has received a C$2.2 million (approximately U.S.$1.5 million) boost from the Canadian federal government and the Province of Manitoba for infrastructure improvement and marketing.

The Western Grain Elevator Association and the Inland Terminal Association of Canada have strongly objected to the funding, which they say distorts an otherwise competitive market.

The Port of Churchill Advisory Board in April warned the port might be forced to close unless more shipments of grain and other commodities were sent through the northern gateway. The Port of Churchill exported 279,000 tonnes of agricultural product in 2002, compared with 478,000 tonnes in 2001 and 711,000 tonnes in 2000


Good for Manitoba, right?
Good for farmers to have another port, right?

An "otherwise competitive market"? who really wants the status quo? So who's interests are the Inland Terminal Association protecting?

Parsley

[parsley]

wmoebis

I said, "organic farmers bypassing the CWB".

In other words, organic farmers would get their CWB export licenses (the same as Ontario now enjoys, the same as all seedgrowers now enjoy), no buyback, identity preserved, and ship directly to the buyer. Nothing to do at all with grading or pooling or donating to the Liberal party.

You can't seem to think outside the Wheat Board box, wmoebis!

Just think of the Board as a licensing agency, handing out licenses to every organic grower who applies for one, not costing anything, yet compliant with the CWB Act. That is what Quebec enjoys, too. Got it?

Parsley

[wmoebis]

Parsley

I asked simple questions to help me and others understand how a simple dual marketing system would work.

Thank you for the reply.

[parsley]

wmoebis

The CWB could issue export licenses to every farmer living in the municipalities around Stettler if they wanted.

Those farmers would then bypass CWB marketing, pooling and all the organized systems. Sell direct. No buybacks.

The CWB did allow the farmers from Creston -Wyndell to do just that.

They were very unhappy with the CWB as they could go right across the border and get good prices, SO the CWB just took them right out of the CWB's Designated Area with one Board motion.
Aren't they lucky? And they sure aren't begging to get back in.

Parsley

[chaffmeister]

wmoebis:

If you are looking ahead to a “dual-market” and wondering how to keep CWB and non-CWB grain separate in the system, I would ask why you would want to.

Back in the old days when western feed grains were being shipped to Eastern Canada through Thunder Bay, so were CWB feed grains. And yes, they were commingled – CWB 1 Fd barley with non-CWB 1 Fd barley. CWB feed wheat with non-CWB feed wheat. It works because who owns what (CWB vs non-CWB) is well documented as the grain moves through the system.

So, the answer to your other question is yes – non-CWB milling wheat would be sold under Canadian grade names and grades.