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CWB protein payments, do they reflect the Market?

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    #11
    Sorry for the delay but I have been taking a bit of a break from Agri-ville to let others have the opportunity to speak.

    Your last question is the right one - that is how does the CWB establish the grade/protein/class spreads.

    The price the CWB sells for/spreads used are determined by the market. The market could be Portland/Australia for for S.E. Asain sales, US Gulf/Argentina/EU for S. American, the EU/Australia for middle east sales, The process the CWB sales uses in selling grain is no different than that used by grain companies. Without going into details, the spreadsheets that are used to doing CWB pricing calculations are no different than that used by a grain company.

    The real question is that after money is deposited in the pool, how is it distributed to farm managers. In a brief answer, the CWB looks at the price relationships in the different markets it sells into over the whole year versus a given day or a given market. As an example, protein spreads are an average value for the whole year (starting with a forecast relationship in the PRO and ending with actual values at the end of the pooling period). The US market is the main protein pricing point (keeping in mind spreads on HRW may differ from that of HRS) but the CWB will also look at pricing in other markets.

    For classes, the CWB has to look at price relationships between the wheat we produce and that of our competitors. As an example, our medium quality wheats (CPS, HRW, 3CWRS) are not sold so much in competition with US but also Australian, Argentine and EU wheat (e.g. Iran, most of S.E. Asian). The spreads are again averages over the whole pooling period and have to reflect the pricing relationships in all markets.

    An interesting challenge I will throw back at you is how pricing signals will come back to farm in a none CWB world? For example, Iran comes to Canada/the trade for 1 MMT of wheat that has to meet certain specs (basically 2 CWRS with 3CWRS or 1/2 CPS at set discounts). The competition is Australia and Europe.

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      #12
      Charlie,

      I find your answer interesting.

      Throwing all the money for non-durum wheat into one pool sure makes it simple and less accountable!

      Ontario had to be more accountable, so the had more pools!

      I say with respect to Iran, Korea, and other lower price lower quality markets that the CWB will only be responsible a responsible marketer when farmers actually have the right to decide when and if they want to participate in these sales!

      I can only make the decision for my own farm! Other farmers have different costs and reasons for selling, they must have the right to decide when a discount sale is appropriate, if it is ever to be in their interests!

      Expropriation is not fair, if a farmer does not want to sell at the lower price!

      Alternatively, this fall many farmers may have been very happy to have had early shipment and payment for their lower quality wheats, and should have had the right to sell their wheat if it was in their best intrests at the time!

      I am not wise enough to make the decision for them, are you?

      If you and I are not wise enough, what makes the CWB any smarter than we are?

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