CWB and Special committee

[agstar77]

The CWB will not participate in Mr. Anderson's little party, but will answer any technical questions if asked. Ken Ritter has reiterated their stance that a so called Dual market amounts to emasculating the CWB. The reform / conservatives can either shut the CWB down and take the political fallout or leave it alone. There is no third option. Creating a so-called dual market would be like turning the CWB into an XCAN grain without the resources of the major grain companies.

[AdamSmith]

So every western rural conservative MP gets re-elected with only a 15000 vote lead over their nearest competitor instead of a 15500 vote lead.

I'm sure they are staying up nights sweating over this one.

My MP got elected with a lead over his nearest rival by over 17000 votes. At the very best he stands to lose maybe 300 or 400 even if they repealed the CWB Act altogether. That's top end.
All the CWB supporters vote Liberal or NDP anyway.

So Agstar name me one MP that could be in serious trouble over giving farmers choice?

Personally, I think this will only deepen the resolve of the Minister and the PM.

After this I really hope they go all the way and just repeal the CWB Act.
There truly is no other way.

[agstar77]

More is involved than the CWB. It is perception. They(Strahl et al) don't want to be seen as destroying the CWB, there are all those other boards that are watching in ridings the Reform / Conservatives did not win but would like to. Politics is not as simple as you make it out to be.

[mustardman]

Agstar, I agree with your take on this, I am in David Anderson's riding and he was the main instigator in this CWB drama. There are alot of strong conservative voters here who are wheat board supporters as well and they are now realizing that there is a consequence to voting. This riding has always been reform or conservative and the candidates have won by landslides.
Our previous reform MP was chanting the same anti-board slogan untill a few of us met with him and asked him to do get feedback from his constituents in his mailout that went to every household. The results were in favour of the CWB. He then changed his tune and supported the board because the majority of his voters did.
This Will not work with Mr.Anderson
he seems to believe what he wants to believe and hear only his neighbours
who live 12 miles from the U.S border.
This issue needs to be voted on .

[charliep]

Back down the same road again.

What are other thoughts? I note from the CWB survey of this last spring, there is a fair bit of support (particularly for barley) for dual marketing.

If Canada were to start down the road of opening up the export/domestic human consumption markets, where would the industry start? Barley? Domestic processing industry? Select types/classes of wheat? Or is it all or none? The CWB one day/open market the next with no transition?

Everybody seems to be focused on the panel/potential plebiscite. In my mind, the key issue right is the CWB district elections and electing people with a vision for the CWB under a wide range of directions it might take. Just my two bits.

[TOM4CWB]

Mustardman;

How can you justify the ethics to require us to vote, in an election that requires me (or us) to decide what a neighbour must do with private property (Wheat & Barley) in which we had no financial interest in creating in the first place?

Respect for private property rights is at the base of a free and democratic society... with out this principal and respect... the prosperity of the western world would not have been created.

I would expect nothing less (than what he has done) from a man of principal and standards... which IMHO David Anderson is.

The sacrifice and self-dicipline he and his family have shown to resolve this CWB issue is nothing short of heroic.

Bless you for wanting to work with the CWB... if they are to be a principal service provider... they MUST earn our respect and loyalty... like every other business in Canadian society.

Forcing us all to do business with the CWB is like forcing us all into a buying monopoly with Walmart... simply because they can provide the least expensive supplies for our households.

We don't do this in a free and democratic society.

Please, respect our right to say;
NO Thanks CWB, I need to support someone else.

THis is the essence of civilisation and humanity: The right to make a decision for ourselves... without a gun to our head... or a threat of being thrown in jail to strengthen those with corrupt principals.

How, can anyone claim the CWB "single desk" is "co-operation" while Chairman Ritter says:

"I will use a saying by AlCapone... we don't usually talk about the Mafia... but I will use it anyway;

You can get a lot done with a SMILE,

But you sure, can get a lot more done: With a GUN; and a SMILE." ...

Is this your idea of civil society that Canadians should be proud of and teach our next generation as acceptable?

[agstar77]

Unfortunately the Reform/ Conservatives are not interested in elections to the CWB only election to parliament. T4 , you must be talking about a different David Anderson. A person that is not willing to listen to his constituents or to the general consensus, doesn't sound like someone we should admire. He has an axe to grind and will not be satisfied until he gets his way. The entire process is a sham. Anderson and Strahl had an agenda set up a long time ago and only political pressure will stop them.

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77;

Don't judge until you walk a mile in another person's shoes.

David and Chuck are going to meet their Maker (GOD)one day... I suggest they won't be slamed for what they are standing for on these CWB issues:

Truth,
Justice,
Integrety,
And Loving (but not coveting) their neighbour...

THere are none so blind as those who will not see.

God Bless you... I hope all goes well...

P.S.
THose that want to take their neighbours wheat without permission... where do you think they will stand... Agstar77?

[agstar77]

I have more faith in the truth justice and integrity of the Farmer elected CWB directors, than I will ever have in a politician.

[wedino]

Agstar, What percentage of farmers actually voted in the cwb directors elections?

[agstar77]

What percentage of eligible voters voted in the last electin and what percentage of those voted for the present government?

[northfarmer]

I have more faith in my elected MP than my current socialist spewing leftie CWB director....who thinks he knows better for my farm how to sell my grain when he mostly grows crops not even marketed by the board...besides who would not like the perdiems he gets, he makes more money with the board than his farm

the CWB election is a joke, we have a govt finally committed to giving us the freedom we so rightly deserve.....in my neck of the woods the tide has changed, most of those are left farming, and certainly those that plan on farming for the next twenty years have moved to the other side....no one cares about the upcoming election because it is irrelevant....

just as we approach and are in the wheat and grains bull marekt we have all been waiting/surviving for we need clear price signal and real selling opportunities......or will it be like the last run in 1996 when the cwb screwed farmers out of millions, let me do my own pricing and hedging in the real world....

[JD4ME]

TOM4CWB
I swore to myself that I wouldn't post on any thing on here any more because most people on here are so caught up in rhetoric and ignore helping each other with marketing which was likely the main thrust behind having a discussion forum like this but I can't let this slide.
When ever someone drags religion so overtly into something as really trivial in the big scheme as the CWB debate I have to challenge them.
Tom4CWB you are no better in my mind than a certain hiding in the hills individual named Osama in fact I think you should change your name to TOMSAMA.
Leave god out of your little "holy" war against the CWB and you'd have far more than the zero credibility you must have with most because fanatics are just that fanatics. I along with others I'm quite sure have no time or use with people who have to believe God happens to be on their side in order to make what they are doing is right.
If you need such a basic crutch as this then you must obviously doubt yourself and your own message. Because from what I've seen in the world over the last number of years people that proclaim this are often more to be feared than trusted. Faith is personal and your constant bringing it into this forum is offensive beyond words.

[TOM4CWB]

JD4ME;

Bless you for saying what you believe.

As Solomon said, the Fear of God is the begining of Wisdom.

Ken Ritter told me during the 2004 election campaign:

TOM, "IF you had any idea what the AWB is actually doing... you would have nothing to do with them."

What exactly did the CWB know about AWB Iraq, the Oil for Food (Wheat for Weapons as AU Labor calls it)?

What pushed Bush to take out Sadam?

Could it be people like Mr. Spafford, Chairman Ritter, and CWB legal experts;

Who knew or should have known exactly what the AWB, a chain of Canadian, French, and EU companies were sending BILLIONS to Sadam's IRAQ through Bribes.

Did they know it would start World War 3?

Maybe not...

THis is serious... as our faith, our very reason for existance on this planet are challenged.

I grow and market wheat... to provide food to a hungry world.

Wheat is part of my faith, and part of many folks faith, hope, and Love... of being alive on planet earth in 2006.

Spiritual reality we will find out is the most important part of our lives.

It creates a special relationship with our MAKER...

Risk Mnagement on our family farm,

Marketing on our families farm,

Working for safety in operating our families farm;

All depend on how alive and sensitive we are to the spiritual reality this world exists to provide.

Please don't be angry with me:
For providing IMHO the very essence of why we exist for eternity!

THe most important business leadership skill... and builder of prosperity on our farms... for our families; and the essence of civilisation is what is offending you?

Might you look in the mirror... and ask why?

[TOM4CWB]

JD4Me;

Just for your information...

The reason the CWB is a passionate interest for me personally,

Is the fact that the CWB used the Christian movement to gain a foothold in western Canada... based on the Wheat Pools (AB, SK, and MB).

Since wheat is usually 86.5% politics... and 13.5% px... should you be surprised these issues are brought up?

I hope not... as they are the undercurrent that drive our commodity markets.

God Bless Canada