When will the wheat high occur?

[malleefarmer]

Given ongoing dry in Aust when will will the wheat high occur for 07 wheat?
Oct/Nov 06 or just after Aust harvest has finished say Jan/Feb when its realized how little wheat there is in the world or will it take a few glitches in Canadian US planting in April/May? Not possible you guys will get dry season 2 year running is it?
How high the top $5.4 to $5.8 or is $6 wheat possible
cheers

[silverback]

I hope you are not asking Western Canadians when the highest wheat prices will be?

When we are forced to take the best that the CWB will give us, we don't have a real good hope of hitting the world's highest prices.

Pooling is such a great thing.

It feels real good watching cash prices spike south of the border and our pooled prices either drop or stay the same.

I love this country.

(However, I am still thankful I do live here and not in some of the other places in this world. Happy Thanksgiving)

[malleefarmer]

Im still ignorant after reading all agriville posts for 9 months dont you have any cash markets ie direct to dairy farmers or flour mills?

ps i spent 12 weeks at lydminister in my youth and travelled bc/alberta/sak a fair bit and been back once since i loved every minute of it guys were laid back easy going did enjoy the banter of the coffee shop in the mornings

[NeilS]

Mallee

Barley can be sold to any domestic buyer, open market. Barley export is strictly through the Wheat board.

All non feed wheat in western Canada must be sold through the wheat board, even that used by domestic mills. Feed wheat can be sold either on the open domestic market or to the Wheat board, and they mainly export it. Since feed wheat prices are lower than milling wheat, the milling wheat here is captive by the Board.

[wedino]

Neil, A slight correction, Should read feed barley can be sold to any domestic buyer. All malt, including domestic, is controlled by cwb.

[AdamSmith]

Mallee, we have a free market in Canola, Flax, Oats, Sunflowers, Buckwheat, Rye, everything except those grains in which the CWB has exclusive jurisdiction. Now here is where it gets confusing, the CWB controls All wheat and barley for export or human consumption, as if there is a difference, but in this country we have the most bizarre and over the top regulations with respect to variety registration and with grading all in order to fit within the contortions of "wheat and barley for export and human consumption". Everywhere else in the world, the real world that is wheat is wheat and barley is barley. If it doesn't meet certain intrinsic qualities it then becomes feed, not in Canada feed is considered anything that a farmer wants to sell domestically outside the CWB. Probably 99% of all wheat varieties developed are chucked out and not registered because they just don’t seem to fit with the weirdness we have developed here in Canada. Those other crops are as free as Willy but wheat and barley are prisoners of Colonel Klink.

Are you confused yet?

Personally, I've been in a state of perpetual confusion about this for nearly twenty years now.

[TOM4CWB]

Wedino,

AND... this is all about to change as our Conservative Government implements their election promise to return marketing choice to "designated area" grain growers?

How soon?

My bet is; sooner rather than later... see some big moves by Jan 1 2007... without a vote.

Grain Growers in the "designated area"(B.C. Peace, Alta.,Sask., & Man.) should have the right to "vote" with their grain trucks... just like any other grain grower in Canada does now.

Goodale has been silent in Parliament... because he is responsible for this whole mess... before 1993 the "single desk" as we have come to know it did not exist.

THe "designated area" "single desk" was implemented by Goodale with out legislative amendments to the CWB Act... it was simply his verbal order.

In the same way the "single desk" can be removed by the Conservative Gov.

Legally I don't see how the CWB can stop this.

It will certainly be interesting to see how it all unfolds!

{Part IV export licensing by the CWB applies equally to all of Canada.

And "single desk" Profits were supposed to go to the Receiver General of CA; NOT the pool accounts.}

This WILL effect our Wheat & Barley marketing... and could effect prices.

The CWB knows this... and is trying to bluff as much grain into their pools as possible... before change occurs.

[wedino]

Tom4, I hope you are right re: marketing choice to "designated area" grain growers. The pro monopoly boys are making a loud noise re: vote, I agree with ya, nobody can vote on our freedom. The monopoly was introduced without a vote & it should end the same. The only vote I remember was a vote to introduce **** to the monopoly during the 1970's, it was defeated.

[stubblejumper]

What about the vote on barley

[wedino]

Stubblejumper, remind me.

[Ron]

If I remember right, there was some crappy worded "do you want the wheat board to market all your barley or none" survey taken around 1996?
One vote one permit book, regardless of wheather they grew barley, regardless of wheather it was marketed as feed or malt.
Crooker?

[Incognito]

Wheat News for Friday, January 12, 1996

CANADIAN FARMERS VOTE FOR FREEDOM FROM WHEAT BOARD -- Indicative of the growing restlessness among Canadian prairie farmers, eligible producers in the province of Alberta have voted in favor of marketing choice in a recent plebiscite (or poll) called for by the Ag Minister of Alberta.

In response to the question: "Are you in favor of having the freedom to sell your barley to any buyer, including the Canadian Wheat Board, into domestic and export markets?" the answer was 66 percent in favor of choice. To the second question, "Are you in favor of having the freedom to sell your wheat to any buyer, including the Canadian Wheat Board, into domestic and export markets?" the response was 62 percent affirmative.

Reportedly, the vote represented 40 percent of those eligible, and it is estimated that the vote represents 80 percent of all the production of wheat and barley in Alberta.

CWB CALLS THE RESULTS FLAWED -- The Canadian Wheat Board responded to the vote results by releasing a statement calling the results flawed because the questions were "ambiguous and designed to elicit a 'yes' response." Lorne Hehn, Chief Commissioner of the Canadian Wheat Board had the following comments: "Our experience to date would lead us more and more to concluding that we couldn't be effective (in a duel marketing system) and over time, we would likely end up not being needed."

http://www.smallgrains.org/dtnfiles/011296.htm

NEWS RELEASE

September 17, 1996 For Immediate Release

GOODALE WRONG TO BLAME HIS STALLING ON "DISPUTE BETWEEN FARMERS"

"Covered-up Angus Reid survey shows only 8% of farmers want status quo in CWB."

OTTAWA -- Today, Garry Breitkreuz, MP for Yorkton-Melville, spoke up in the House of Commons for the two-thirds of western grain farmers who would like to see a "major overhaul" (32%) or "minor imporvements" (36%) of the Canadian Wheat Board. Breitkreuz was quoting directly from the results of an Angus Reid survey commissioned by Agriculture Canada and leaked to the media yesterday. "It's very disappointing that the Minister of Agriculture has to spend more tax dollars on a poll, and then when we find out about it, his officals won't release the results to either farmers or Members of Parliament. Why does he treat farmers like mushrooms -- keeping them in the dark and feeding them manure?"

Here is what Breitkreuz said in the House of Commons:

"When Reformers asked the Minister of Agriculture what he would do to improve the operations and accountability of the Canadian Wheat Board, the Minister always dodged the question by saying "Wait for the report" of his hand picked Western Grain Marketing Panel. Now this same minister ignored their recommendations. Why?

In the Ag Minister's recent open letter to farmers he says that it's the quality of the support that he is considering more than the quantity. Read his lips: His opinions will take priority over the opinions of the majority of farmers. If the Marketing Panel's unanimous report isn't a quality report, what else could possibly be good enough? Why did he even commission this panel of experts?

The Minister tries to excuse his inaction by saying this is a "dispute between groups of farmers". WRONG! He's the one who created and fuelled the division. Who should control the Canadian Wheat Board -- Prairie farmers or the Minister and his bureaucrats?

It is the Ministers' own weakness, indecisiveness, and lack of action for the past three years that is going to destroy a valuable marketing tool for Western Farmers. What about the broken election promise for a plebiscite?"

In June of 1993, then Liberal leader and now Prime Minister promised a producer plebiscite on the barley issue. In November 1993, The Minister of Agriculture said that plebiscites are "the most appropriate vehicle by which to determine what farmers' preferences are." "Everyone is wondering when will the Minister hold a plebiscite on the recommendations made by his Western Grain marketing Panel?" asked Breitkreuz.

"Can anyone blame farmers for showing a high level of frustration if for three years they have waited for the Minister to make good on his election promise to let them have a real say in how their grain is marketed? The division the Minister says exists amongst farmers wouldn't exists if the administrative changes would have been made years ago to let farmers modernize and control the Board," concluded Breitkreuz.

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http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/cwb05.html