Why Object to Plebiscite?

[silverback]

So there is another fundamental issue that we have here.

Americans are evil.

Is that what is at the bottom of your support for the CWB Galaxie?

I don't know where you live, but as I have said before, I can grow some pretty good crops in our area. Unfortunately, our climate is dictating that the best things that grow in our dirt are wheat, canola, flax, and sometimes barley.

So in order to feed my family, and my extended family, the best choice for me is limited to these options.

How can you suggest that only people who want to support the pooling of grain together should be able to grow and sell HRS? That is basically what you are saying right? The world is paying record prices for HRS but only by submitting it to the CWB can we sell it outside of our borders. Just because you are happy to sit back and let someone send you a cheque that they say is the best they could get, does not mean that some of the rest of us should have to accept that.

That's a real logical, rational stand you have there.

Freedom, what a concept.

[mustardman]

We know the real reason not to hold a vote---- its because the CWB side would
win out especially on the wheat vote--
So we can't have that], so lets ignore the CWB election results , spew philosophical gobbleygook, go on hunger strikes, get promo pictures in handcuffs with Uncle Ralph at the border etc etc.
Unfortunately the anti board side doesn't want to risk losing a vote.
And I feel they would not respect the results if THEY did not win.

You have the rights not to wear your seatbelts----- its a against the law but you could as the owner of your truck Not wear one .

Hey maybe a group of us could get arrested together {not wearing our belts} to prove a constitutional point. Get the camera , media and I'll
phone Ralph

[cottonpicken]

I agree Tom but i guess my problem is that we do not live in a free and open market in any aspect of our lives. I read somewhere that we where a command and control economy.Think about our taxe rates,social welfare and red tape everywhere you turn.Our freedom is an illusion.

[jensend]

i wonder if american buyers will bid american price or slightly over cwb price for canadian grain? don't grow grains so i have no axe to grind but i don't think american grain companies operating in the states will feel any more duty bound to enrich canadian farmers delivering south than they do when they relieve you of your grain up here.

[northfarmer]

who do I want to sell to that I am not selling to now?......lets see....how about the multitude of grain brokers and other multionational grain companies not in the CWB fraternity or their special agents in Wpg, how about the millers in the PNW of the the good old US, or the Canadian Millers or Malsters without beuracrats of the cwb and their agent fraternity taking their bite - like the farmers can do in Que and Ont.....

Geez cannot sell without the board....I am this week meeting with Chinese delegation of buyers who have bought and will agian likley buy the peas right off my farm into the car and transloaded into container on the west coast... should i need to get into the way I also market my canola, and oats????

....your sick of the pro choice rant, I am sick of the conspiracy theorists, closet communists/socialists who think there managed market theory is more efficient.....

so if a vote is what it takes, last i checked we elected guys to do that who had a clear platform and then a mandate to give us choice and freedom in how we market grain....Goodale and his lIberal cronies did not have a plebisite when they made radical changes to the CWB aginast the howling protests of many, when they imprisoned farmers for trying to exercise their riteful freedoms.....

but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....

[craig]

Luvnlife
I want access to similar risk management tools I use in the open market. In other words the ability to lock in prices I feel are profitable to my operation just as I do the other crops I grow. I want to be able to profit from futures rallies and receive a similar price to what my competitors receive for basically the same grain. Please don't tell me that the producer payment options in their current form are the solution to what I want. That is not to say they that couldn't be. I think the question that needs to be asked is why the CWB doesn't provide producers who are comfortable in the open market, the tools he is looking for. There is a need for someone to oversee operations at the CWB whose role is to protect the interests of those who choose other options than the pool accounts. There is a need to totally seperate the FPC,s and BPC,s programs and revenues generated, from the pool accounts and the PRO's. There is a need to modify BPC,s and address the issue of distance to port. There is a need to revamp the Producer Direct Sale to reward the producer who is willing to spend his time and money to develop a market for his grain. The reality is that there is this ingrained fear by the CWB that if they give up even a small amount of control the who system will unravel around them. I seems that might be happening anyway.

[Lifer]

I am sick of it as well. That because of people's distrust of the U.S and big companies they lash out at their canadian neighbors. Why don't we expand our freedoms.

My neighbor develops a new product or more innovative idea hold them up, celebrate them. Use it as encouragement for yourself to change if you don't like what your doing.

I am sick of the lack of respect shown to a Canadian Farmer(mostly from other farmers).

What makes a farmer different than another small business owner?

[Lifer]

I have trouble understanding this concept of only two choices or three (with dual marketing). A farmer is either for or against the wheat board. That seems too simplistic.

A plebiscite can be divisive. We are all on the same team.

How do we get to a place where an agency is available to be a support to marketing efforts and research efforts in wheat. A place that can allow as much freedom as possible at the same time protecting the common good.(food safety, environmental concerns including human health)

We are not there in wheat.

[wedino]

Well said Northfarmer.

<<but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....>>

[wedino]

Well Said northfarmer,

""but if a vote is what it takes then lets have one....a weighted vote based on acres or tonnes of historic production, weighted to the most recent years so it is actual producers voting in the designated areas of the CWB and with a clear and concise question, our freedom to chose how we market the production from our own operations.....""