Harper and China

[TOM4CWB]

cottonpicken;

The fearmongering continues... you really are a socialist hiding behind a mask.

Good job... had me fooled for a second!

Holand is in a more difficult position... I don't hear them asking for a hand out.

When Ice melts... it takes less space as water.

When the atmosphere warms up... it holds much more water.

We should dam up water on the prairies to hold it back from the sea... irrigate our land... carbon sink and make bio fuels... use up that extra water!

THis is an opportunity for us to create prosperity... not go hide under a rock and wait for the sky to fall!

Everything is a state of mind... lets keep a positive outlook... and we will all be better neighbours!

[cottonpicken]

Tom your showing your true brilliance.
Good job..had me fooled for a second.
If any of you think the ice caps melting is a good thing you are borderline retarded and theres not much point in argueing.

If you think china can be pushed around your wrong.Do you know what would happen if china dumped its u.s currency reserves?

And this isnt about sending money to iran.Its about reducing our own emmissions.We havent done squat to reduce,reuse,recycle.We think its are god givin right to burn a gallon of gas to go buy a gallon of milk.

[mustardman]

I agree C.P the previous government

had good intentions but didn't follow

thru, but the Harper gov't Doesn't even

believe global warming is happening.

So why should it do anything ?

They ahve got their heads buried in the

Tarsands.

[silverback]

Please tell us Oh Wisest Ones : What would Canada have to do to get to the Kyoto numbers that were dreamed up by the guy from Quebec?

Don't give us rhetoric either. I want to hear your solution to reaching that number of emissions without buying credits from some other country.

What would that average Canadian in the city need to do differently and what would it mean for the average farmer in Sask?

[TOM4CWB]

Mustardman,

All I can do is be responsible for my own behavior... and hope my example is an honest attempt to do my part.

I bought a 2000 used VW Golf Diesel with 120,000 miles on it. I didn't buy new. I am actively conserving resourses to the cost of my comfort and safety.

Deer in the windsheild of small cars can be deadly. I know this.

SO please let us all do our small part, sacrifice where we can, and be a good example to our communities and nation!

God Bless Canada!

[mustardman]

Silverback, First of all you need a gov't that believes the problem is actually happening.
You need public policy to have a vision for cities to be expanded around innercores with public transits,
viable shopping in the downtown not simply putting big box stores on the outskirts and then giving them a tax incentive to boot. Maybe drivers have to get some sort of incentive to buy the technology ie hybrid cars and a consumption tax on SUVs.
Drive thru the suburbs how many suv parked in the driveways- not like they need to go offroading thru the bush to get to Safeway.
The gov't has to maybe force industry to change, it shouldn't have to because the ones who are quickest to will be the winners.
Farmers if using zero till and not baling straw are actually acting as a carbon sink- we are tying up more C02 than we are creating-
We can't forget that Kyota was only the first step. We will have many tougher accords down the road.
Hey maybe get the railroads to develop branch lines to haul grain etc. What a novel idea to keep CO2 down.
A one hundred car train pulled by 3 engines takes 300 semis off the road.
Where was the vision when they ended the crow !!! We should have had all the enviromentalist groups on side with us then.

[TOM4CWB]

Mustardman,

What happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

What have you done?

Have you bought new machines that burn fuel many times cleaner than 20 year old machines, and burn less fuel?

Have you stopped recreational tillage?

Have you bought a truck that hauls 45t to reduce fuel consumption?

[cowman]

How much of all the green house gas in the world does Canada produce? How much of the big picture are we even responsible for? Come on...use your head...every Canadian could go back to "caveman status"...and nothing would change! The big players are not buying into it!
What we need is a technology answer...not some goofy environmental "feel good" answer!
The fact is the wealthy nations are the only ones who can solve this problem? And unfortunately the ones calling the shots "scientifically" right now are the left leaning "wingdings"...who have never solved a damned thing yet!
Maybe I look at it all wrong...I believe this old world will be here as long as it is supposed to be and there is some supreme being in control! Maybe naive? Maybe I should put my faith in some "educated elite" who are so dumb they don't know how to start the lawnmower!
Scientists...always right...well until tommorrow when they look like morons!
It seems like only yesterday they were predicting the next iceage? Well...maybe tommorrow?
Take all scientific BS with a grain of salt...these were the same "experts" that told you a steak would surely kill you!

[mustardman]

Tom Yes personal responsiblity is where it has to start, and yes I do quite a bit although we could always do more.
Ihave been zero tilling for over 15 years and recently sold carbon credits on the Chicago climate Exchange $2.20-2.40 per acre back to 2003.

Any field work is kept to minimum,sidebanding fert when seeding,
straight cutting, running tractor efficently (gear up throttle back}

Honda civic for transportation 50 mpg
although we still use the old f150 around farm.
Hauling grain is done with tandem diesel 6 miles to town or custom hauled 35 miles in the other direction.

All these things can be done but we still are per capita the biggest emitter on the planet. Alberta is the worst emitter in Canada ( with the tar sands leading the way }
Harper giving until 2050 to change anything is not acceptable

[northfarmer]

Alberta is a big emmitter, what is your point.......we are the energy producing infrastructure for one of the most developed continental economies of the modern world...if you measured recent growth in emmissions Alberta is huge.....but if you measured the aggregate pollution from industrial and the populous of the eastern seaboard, the great lakes basin and the southwest coast of the NA you see the total continental emmisions picture ...no one will argue the validity of protecting the environment........but Kyoto...give me a break....most of the world will do nothing, they have no targets to start with....never mind arguing the science...for every credible scientific source one side puts out, I read the opposite from another.....there is no question that there is a socioeconomic political agenda behind the scenes and it will play out a country like Canada as a big loser if we move directly forward with a kyoto compliance strategy....