December 9 – 10, 2006 Ballots tabulated

[Incognito]

December 9 – 10, 2006 Ballots tabulated, and results announced (pending need for manual recount)

21 days Agstar:

Check the sports pages on December 15:

Pro Choice wins 8-7 in overtime after Minister drafts 2 new directors and a NEW CEO.

Measner Contacts Bob Clarke ex. GM of Philidealpha Flyers for advice

Don Cherry: Clarke & Measner Couldn't Adapt to the Faster Game

Measner accepts 2 year buyout package -
Sent to the minors in the Ukraine with Pearson

Pearson Tears Ligaments In Right Knee- Arrives Back to Alberta Capital with only One Boot

11 million dollar facelift for CWB Arena on hold - Farmers say: Who voted for this?

Strahl: When I Said Rebuild - I Didnt Mean 423 Main Street

[TOM4CWB]

Incognito;

You must know something I don't... what % of voters will return ballots?

If it is below 50% we are in big trouble.

From all standpoints.

1) growers will have shown they don't care;

2) those

[TOM4CWB]

OOps!

2) THose commercial grain growers who are stuck behind "Goodales Revenge" will blow the doors off the system as we know it... especially now that the CWB is only accepting 80% of 1&2 CWRS and Durum.

3) Goodale will blame it all on the Conservatives... and get us to do what all along he knew must be done... while keeping his hands clean.

[wilagro]

Incognito...Looks like you've been in the kickapoo joyjuice again. Either that, or you have a crystal ball which needs a good cleaning.

We will all be waiting for the results...I wouldn't bet one way or the tuther.

[Incognito]

The right side only needs one new director and then there won't be enough hooch to keep the left from weeping...

do the math

5 appointed

the right only needs 1 new one and maintain the one they have

the left have to hold on to all 4

or its 8-7 in Overtime

[Vader]

incog - just my 2cents - the right will fight just to keep one elected position at the table

Now that the task force has debunked the "dual market" scam. 70% plus of farmers want to keep the CWB as it is.

I also suspect that the majority will vote to keep barley under the CWB. That was the result last time the all or nothing question was asked.

Canada's New Government might find out that their position on the CWB had NOTHING to do with their getting elected. As time marches on Canada's New Government might find itself Canada's Old Government quicker than you can say plebicite.

[Incognito]

Welcome to Jurassic Park.

[AdamSmith]

Vader, I'm curious as to why you said the task force has "debunked" the dual market scam.

I think the task force report clearly outlined what is possible and that a restructured CWBII could function in an competitive open market environment. So long as there are people who are willing to try an make it succeed are there to run it. So I guess that leaves you out along with all the other ultra left can't be doners and won't workers.

I know the CWB has had success in the past with the fear campaign, but something tells me that your fear campaign will be your ultimate undoing. In case you haven't noticed farmers are in an optimistic mood right now and the doom and gloom coming from the left doesn't jive with what they see with their own eyes.

I make zero predictions about the director elections. Because those elections are "permit book" elections.

By the way, I heard that in district 9 that around 3000 permit book holders were knocked off the voters list and only 189 statutory declarations were sent in. That throws a different dynamic in. What that means though it's hard to say.

The plebicites will be "grower" elections and a permit book will not be a prerequisit. Growing grain will. They will also probably be weighted somehow so that those who have more at risk will have a greater say. And it won't be an all or nothing question.

The CWB can spin the task force report all you want Vader but it will ultimatly be up to actual growers of barley not just cwb barley but all barley who will decide whether a dual market is a "scam" or not.

My two cents is they will go with "NOT". 2 to 1 or more, and 90% of production will say to drop the single desk.

[Vader]

I say debunked because CWBII is a nothing. CWBII is a complete misnomer. It won't be Canadian. It won't be wheat and it won't be a board. There will be nothing remaining of the former CWB. It won't even be a shadow of its former self. It won't have any assets, or people, or customers or loyal farmers. What good will another two bit grain company do for the average farmer and his net income.

Dual market implies that there is an open market option along with a strong CWB. B###s@@t. There is only an open market.

How many people on this posting want to carry on the dual market charade. AS - please be honest. You don't give a rat's a@@ about any vestige of a CWB going forward. I am sure incognito is in the same camp.

[AdamSmith]

Vader, I agree with you that there will only be an open market. Where I disagree is whether the CWB or CWBII or the Prairie Wheat Company or whatever you want to call it can "EXIST" and do business within that realm. I've said it may handle 20% but it might only be 10% I don't know but I'm talking strong enough to keep the doors open and offer a service for those who want to use it.

The Task force suggested a simple transfer of CWB assets of about 100 million and a farmer buyin of another 100 million. My god you offer that to anyone other than the nut jobs at the cwb and they could make it work. But I guess you guys have ZERO confidence in what you could offer.

Do I care about the cwb, no not the one your running, I despise it. But the one that could exist I have a great deal of desire to see it succeed, I'd buy shares in it.

[cottonpicken]

What If....

Dual marketing does happen and the cwb2 retains 85% of the grain.
Then they decide to play hardball.
They could effectivly neutter the 15% of their now "competion" in a number of ways.
The more i think about this the more plausible it becomes.Of course there are a million variables to consider.

[Incognito]

Put the cards on the table Vader.
Everytime a credible question is asked of you here - you disappear and don't answer.

The CWB has conspired with Goodale for 13 years to justify their existence with no regard for farmer's rights as a Canadian. See feed sales in Canada - see how the Act was changed - see how the Organic farmers were sh*t on. Tell farmers about NAFTA Vader, tell them WHY you can't be the single desk inside Canada. Tell them how the CWB conspired with feed mills to cirumvent NAFTA...and let farmers decide if it was for their benefit or the existence of the CWB.

For 25 years, the CWB has only told farmers what THEY thought farmers needed to know. JARVIS, HEHN, MACHEJ, MEASNER...

So in the absense of facts and only the same old rhetoric, I don't give a rats ass.

Show farmers that you are extracting a premium with no BS - and i'll be over to your camp in a nano-second.

I'll even live in a square cube.

But do it quick, because you don't have much time.

Ken Beswick had enough moral standard to walk away rather than continue to screw farmers in the barley market.

Beswick had more morals than the rest of this industry put together - God rest his soul.

Nothing has changed since then except the Act and Ralph's insistence that everything is ENSHRINED IN THE ACT - like it has been there forever...frikkin garbage.

And that 70% figure is a crock - and you know it.

Does the single desk extract a premium for farmers in barley in western Canada?

Let's see if you give a rats ass about farmers...

[Incognito]

Cotton:

If they had 50% of the grain - the rest of the industry would bow down to whatever they needed.

The industry is overbuilt. They need every tonne they can get their hands on.

Everytime i see the word "can't do it"... i shudder.

Can't is a just a word for "don't want to".

[cottonpicken]

Well what are the numbers?Perception and reality are two vastly different things.I percieve farmers want a choice just to keep everything honest but would stay loyal to the board.Kind of like having a red and a green dealership in town.Your still going to buy green but its nice to know reds there keeping them in line.I defintely might be wrong on this.Almost as wrong as tom thinking i'm socialist or commy.


If anyone is going to agribition how about for fun we each ask ten complete STRANGERS about their feelings on the board.These people should be the main owner/ operater of a grain farm in western canada.
The questions should be:
1:do you support the board,no board,or dual marketing.
2:if you support dual marketing would you still go through the board.
3:?????-other possible questions

I would hope everyone would keep the results honest and accurate.

Any other thoughts on this idea?

[Incognito]

3) Do you wish to have the Freedom of Information Act apply to the CWB?

a) when the CWB wants to hide behind the Act - they say it cannot be changed without a vote - it says so in the Act. The Act is controlled by the government.

b) when the CWB wants to hide behind the Freedom of Information Act - they say they are not a government agency - they are a farmer controlled organization.

see the dichotomy?