CWB now a part of Freedom of Information

[parsley]

agstar, I'm glad that you are starting to see that costs are an important issue for farmers; then you will agree that the Federal Government should pay the cost of national licensing, just as the Act requires them.

Parsley

[agstar77]

Costs are important , that's why I'd rather see a 250 thousand ceo for the CWB than a 1 million Ceo at a CWB II. How long would farmers tolerate that?

[parsley]

Quotong from todays's StarPhoenix, has Director Ian McCreary as saying, " there's no such thing as a "dual market" that would have the wheat board as one of the marketing options, but rather an open market that will be dominated by a handful of major players."

Somebody should tell this boy that the major players are marketing all the West's EMFA feed grain cause the CWB agreed it was a hell of a good idea.

Somebody should tell this boy that we have dual marketing alive and well.

Somebody should tell this boy the CWB is still alive.

What is good for the Board and good for the feed mills should be good for the farmer.

Somebody should tell this boy that in order for the CWB to be believable, he'd been practice consistency in his arguments.

Parsley

[AdamSmith]

Access to information is important because the current batch of directors and staff refuse to be accountable to farmers and refuse to offer real answers to our enquiries. This now offers us a bit of leverage to get answers. We can now go around them to find the information we’ve been asking for. Like where is the proof of a Premium? What are the cost breakdowns? Are we getting value for money?


I want to find out why I had a $5.75 t Adjustment Factor charge on my Basis Price Contract and Fixed Price Contract. The accountable only to farmers are not accountable on this issue. No explanation, just a new charge that appeared out of nowhere. I want to see if this was something that was approved by the B of D and I want to know the rational for a new out of the blue charge.

I want to see the communications dept. cash flow statement. Money coming in, money going out. Let farmers make decide if were getting value for money.

I want to see the financials surrounding the contingency fund. That $50 million dollars of farmers money being withheld. Where is it? What is it being invested in? Is there an expense account associated with it? What is the percentage breakdown of forced contributions between PPO program farmers and pool account farmers? Where does it go? Does it leave my pocket and end up in someone else’s?

Access to Information will now allow farmers to judge the value of the cwb with real information; it is the beginning of the end of the ideological battle. If the CWB has been good sound managers of farmers money they will benefit by revealing this information, if it is found out that they have been irresponsible and corrupt, it will only hasten their demise even as a voluntary institution. And there isn’t a damn thing Dion/Easter/Orchard can do about that.

[melvill]

Actually AS, as I understand it, the adjustment factor was always a part of basis but it wasn't visible. It was separated out from basis for the 06-07 crop year to make it more visible for two reasons:
1. so that producers who wanted to buy their way out of contracts could easily see where the charges were coming from, and
2. so that the effect of early sales on the basis was apparent.

I'm much happier with the adjustment factor being visible. Too bad it wasn't there right from the beginning. I have a chart showing the actual adjustment factor amounts and how it affected basis in the 05-06 year. I would like to have seen that chart for that year and all previous years provided on the CWB web site.

Another thing I'd like to see as visible is the discount - for time value, risk management and administration - that's part of the basis and fixed price contracts. You may remember that the discount was a separate charge the first several years when the PPOs first came out. Its visibility was removed based on complaints from producers as "just another complicating factor".

[AdamSmith]

Thanks melvill,

I was talking to my neighbour on the weekend and he told me that he did 3 seperate basis contracts on three seperate occasions for his 2006 crop of wheat. The first was earlier with no adj charge, the other two done later had the adj charge.

But ultimatly I think all farmers who use these programs would like a better clarification on the rational for these basis levels.

As I have posted earlier, I have compared basis levels off Minniapolis between Bottineau ND (30 miles away) and Melita MB (20 miles away)and the ND Basis was $C 68 cents under vs the MB CWB PPO Basis of $C 1.45 under.

Since basis is a sum of all costs associated of getting grain to a point of sale, is it not resonable to question this huge difference and is it not reasonable to expect someone within the cwb oganization has a valid explanation for it?

By the way it is not at all uncommon to have ND canola entering the Canadian system down here because our basis levels are sometimes more attractive than ND basis levels.

[melvill]

When the basis - and fixed price - contracts for 06-07 were announced by tne Board in Jan 06, I think, the idea of the visible adjustment factor was also announced. The details were that any basis contracts signed before August 1 would have no potential adjustment factor. Any signed on or after Aug 1 would.

You said, "Since basis is a sum of all costs associated of getting grain to a point of sale, is it not resonable to question this huge difference and is it not reasonable to expect someone within the cwb oganization has a valid explanation for it?"

Actually, basis is only partly made up of the costs of getting grain to a destination. Basis is better thought of as the local supply/demand picture for a product. One elevator may really need farmer deliveries in order to meet sales commitments or to fill soon-to-arrive rail cars. That elevator may bid a much stronger basis than, say, it's competitor 200 yards away that is full to the rafters and has no rail cars coming for some time. Then three weeks later, the second elevator knows it will be receiving 100 cars to meet an export shipment so it strengthens its basis to encourage deliveries while the first elevator has no "action" so its basis doesn't change.

[TOM4CWB]

melvill;

You wrote:

Basis is, "the local supply/demand picture for a product".

How exactly does this work with CWB involvement... when "the local supply/demand picture for a product" is the national view as determined by the "single desk" service provider?

Further isn't the "Orderly Marketing" clause in the CWB Act supposed to assume a fairness and equity factor that rids us of these local anomolies?

AdamSmith is right to point out long term trends in a open market just a few miles away... that isn't distored by a "single desk" as it is the closest benchmark he has to measure performance of his service provider!

The CWB needs the border to be closed to all information exchange to "designated area" growers... as well as to the movement of wheat south!

[AdamSmith]

Right on Tom,

Since the cwb doesn't use it's basis
to attract grain into the system or to offer a price signal to withhold deliveries, one has to assume that the basis levels are all cost related.

So I want to know what the cwb considers a cost. Do they consider it a cost to the pool accounts to offer farmers these programs?

Do they just assign an arbitrary value to that cost and simply take my money in order to give it to someone else?

If that is the case, shouldn't they clearly state that and call it what it is instead? It's money taken for the sole purpose of redistribution to other designated area growers and as such it is a tax on the users of the PPO programs.

$1.45 minus $.68 = $.77 per bushel.

Am I paying a 77 cent per bushel tax for using the PPO's instead of staying in pool accounts or are the costs of the single desk system more than double the open market?

Where did the money go?

[AdamSmith]

So the the independent nation of cwb has the power to tax it's captive citizens and it's prefered method is the use of sin taxes.

It's a sin to not pool, so they tax that activity.

It's a sin to export your own grain, so they tax producer direct sales.

So shouldn't there be full disclosure on where that sin tax revenue goes?

Looks like a job for the Auditor General of Canada.

So does having the CWB subject to the Freedom of Information Act allow a forensic audit of the cwb by the auditor general?

Tom, should we not be requesting this to occur immidiatly?