$1000 dollar bonuses for all CWB Staff

[TOM4CWB]

Just-wondering,

I really question the "right" of a group of grain growers to confiscate the property of other people ... to depreciate the value of these folks property to make their own more valuble.

THis is pure gang violence... especially then there are many more poeple with a small economic stake... who can vote together to take advantage of people who have a large economic investment in the grain industry.

An exemption, sign out, some form of system to recognise both the "rights" and "responsibilities" that are attached as a duty to have a democratic right... must be respected by all involved in our grain marketing system.

In the Canadian regulation of "trade and commerce" the folks who decide not to use and totally avoid the "works for the general advantage of Canada" are supposed to have their decision respected and be left alone.

This is only fair and to be expected in a free and democratic society. It is how the Canada Grain Act works... the CWB Act used to be practically implemented in the manner...before 1993.

Goodales Revenge needs to be removed and our Provincial and Federal Civil and property rights respected.

How can anyone argue that the "order in council" Goodale impemented a few minutes after the Courts ruled against the Liberals view of the CWB in 1996 respected and properly recognised the "Canadian Bill of Rights" ?

[wade]

It seems to me that maybe the money should come out of the pockets of the "pro" wheat board voters accounts.

[cowman]

just wondering: I like your idea! I don't think anyone can argue that the CWB operates like the UFA or a co-op where you get a dividend(or rights) based on how much you do business? That would be okay if the smaller guy wasn't forced to only shop at UFA or the Co-op?
A funny thing happened on the way to Socialist Utopia? The darned peasants started voting with their seed drills! How much "malt" quality barley never hits the malt market because the grower doesn't want to go through the wheat board? How much wheat goes to the hog barns that would make flour?
The CWB really does need to go? It has stifled competition, it has delayed developement, it has turned farmers into criminals!

[chuckChuck]

The question of bonuses at the CWB is irrelevant, except for those who want to use every opportunity to bash the Wheat Board. More importantly I noticed that there was almost no response to charliep's post on Dec. 22 the U.of S. Barley Study......For those of you who haven't seen or looked at the results, the study came to the conclusion that the CWB monopoly was worth on average, an additional $59 million annualy in additional revenue from barley from 1995 - 2004. The study also examined other previous studies. What amazes me is there are many anti Wheat Board types out there who don't care or don't want to know the results of any studies that don't support their arguments. One such farmer was quoted in the Star Phoenix and the Leader Post and he said more or less - "I don't care what the study says, I still think I can do better". One has to wonder what kind a business person would make decisions without considering a full range of information and anlysis on any subject? Now I know alot of you are automatically going to slam the study and discredit it probably without even reading it. Go ahead if you want. But don't pretend that some how this makes up for the lack of an informed debate on the subject.

[TOM4CWB]

ChuckChuck;

To make the claim the CWB "single desk" monopoly is responsible for a premium of "X" is not possible when there is no base line of competition in the first place with which to compare the benchmark.

It is a calculated dream world... made upon presumptions that can't be proven because they are not history.

A very small tipping point on corn consumption caused this years corn market to go, on a year of record production... to prices not thought possible.

And there was no CWB "single desk" driving up the corn price this fall in the US.

THe everlasting "multi-national" threat... the evil futures speculator and funds, all these forces couldn't break corn prices down this fall.

To claim the CWB "single desk" has the "market power" you are claiming in the barley market simply not believable. Voluntary pools get growers premiums every year they operate in other grain products... to what many individuals can do by themselves.

This however doesn't prove for a mili-second that the CWB pool accounts were either well managed or gathered any premium over what a voluntary pooling system could have attained over the time frame claimed.

THe Western Grain Marketing Panel clearly saw through this mirage 10 years ago... and any human consumption barley grower this year feels the sting of a badly managed CWB "single desk" pool that is short $1.50/bu right now this crop year...

The CWB... the power of the "single desk" is more like a pair of heavy duty booster cables sucking the economic juice straight out of our bank accounts.

But then... exactly how much human consumption barley are you going to sell to the CWB "single desk" this crop year?

How disappointed were you last year when the CWB came up a good $.40-.70/bu short on feed barley from expected results?

[TOM4CWB]

Ken Beswick resigned because the CWB cost barley growers in 1995-96 close to 300m that crop year alone. Just the interest on that lost capital... I don't need to say more... do I?

And Ken gave his life for the CWB... I trust his actions and dedication any second over the....

[HFL]

Chuckchuck- Another study praising the invisible price preiums. We read about them, we hear about them, we just never see them on our grain cheques. In the study the writer claims an average price premium for two row malt barley of $ 40.29 per tonne. Almost 88 cents per bushel. We sold malt barley grown in 2004. The final price we got from the wheat board was about $ 2.30 per bushel. So if we subtract the 88 cents per bushel CWB premium that means the price without the CWB would have been $ 1.42 per bushel. We could have had that barley picked up off the combine for $ 2.25 for feed. All the studies in the world can tell us about the price premiums. When we see the evidence on our grain cheques we might start believing these studies.

[silverback]

This thread was about the bonuses and as much as you like to switch the subject, they are very relevant.

They just pulled $500,000.00 out of the pool accounts!!!

How does that not compute in your head man??

[chuckChuck]

To Previous posts. So what do you think the 3 economists who wrote the study on barley were doing? Did they make it all up? Perhaps you forgot that this is a public study that will be reveiwed and read by many economists and farmers. Do you think that in the academic world that credible researchers are going to put their whole career on the line by writing B.S.? The reality is that it is not possible for the average farmer to do this type of analysis because they don't have access to to all the information and they do not have the training and experience. I am not sure how the average farmer can pretend to know anything significant about the barley trade in Saudia Arabia and Japan. Sorry, anecdotal information is not equivalent to economic research and analysis done by ag.economists.

[parsley]

chucklechuckle,

You ought to plunk in smalldeadanimals.com

and read Kate's zeroing-in of typical-type media-ist Tamara King writing for the Winnipeg Sun about the CWB:

"That's what he told me, so that's what I wrote"

Transpose that gem into the singlicala-deskoretta jargon of the Wheat Board's custom-wired and well-paid U of S ag economists, with just a little revision:

"That's what the CWB told us, so that's what we wrote."

Parsley

[chuckChuck]

Parsley. If you have no argument you can always resort to discrediting the ones who do.

[northfarmer]

bcak from the holidays and getting caught up....lots of good chat coming from the latest bogus bonus flap....

are the decisions of the BOD on matters like this done in camera? can we get voting info from BOD meeting through FOI act? i am curious who voted for this? this will hurt the board more than it will help because the backlash has been fierce....here is my conspiracy theory....pro choicers support monopsonists on bonus vote knowing it will help their cause for liberating growers....


BennyHin, interesting scenarios...but..the reason guys like me are paying the premiums for the high yeilding new canola hybrids and pumping the acres for 2007 out of wheat and into canola is because we have already forward priced 2007 and in some cases 2008 production and have locked a profitable price floor....

demand is very high for the high cost seed, and acres are likely over the hybrid production plans of these companies as even with high global wheat and corn prices prices growers will be moving acres to canola...most in the industry called canola acres flat..now they wish in some cases they had more seed to sell...

geez.....what does the CWB have to do with the fact that Canola has grown from a non existent crop globally 30 years ago to the number one source of cash for prairie crop producers....and my god without the orderly marketing monopsonist support of federal legislation......the rails up in my neck of the woods/priaries are always loaded with canola cars and yet i sit on my 1 CWRS...all of it........well some will go for chicken feed in January for about the same money as the pro...go figure that one out???

i do like the idea of sharing the selling costs of our grain by membership versus volume.....in the old days i pooled thousands of tonnes....now all FPC/DPC priced..but alas, they are probably using the plump contingency funds i helped stuff....

[AdamSmith]

Chuckchuck, I posted a question for you on the thread
U of S Barley study released after 2 years.

You can post your awnswer on that thread as well.

Thanks
AS

[parsley]

chucklechuckle,

Since you are having difficulty grasping the concept, here it comes again:

1. The single desk does not reflect more money for FARMERS. We live on the money we RECIEVE from initial, adjustment and final payments.It is wanting.

Gray et al live well on CWB money. The CWB is a cash cow. In fact, the CWB has been a major funder of the U of S's Dept of Ag Econ year after year. They live well on CWB $$$. Farmers don't, chucklechuckle. If the ag-econs from Calvert-ville had any intellectual independence and decency at all, they would have long ago done a study on the 'How much CWB money does the FARMER have in his pocket at the end of the year?'

The Accredited Agencies know that CWB money is their gravey and meat and potatoes. Farmers don't get that kind of cash though.

All the institutions still nursing on the CWB depend upon that warm steady stream of cash to keep them alive. Farmers are hungry for cash.

Can you poke out your head high enough out of the "CWB-single-desk-makes money" hole to see that FARMERS aren't
the ones making any money from a single desk?

Can you get the concept?

Parsley

[cottonpicken]

Northfarmer if your pricing way out into 2007-2008 you dont have a clue about marketing so i'd be carefull about the critisism and judgment your spewing.
But i'm sure when the real canola rally takes place you will "have knowen it all along".

Parsly you should get back to the kitchen with your herbs and spices instead of trying to grasp the complexity international grain markets.
Why?-because not one thing you have ever said effects the actual price of GRAIN.