Explain it. Anyone?

[silverback]

We have gone round and round and round. It is tiring.

So I will try to put it simply so that I can try and understand.

To the supporters of the CWB:

Why do you think I must pool the wheat and malt barley grown on my farm with yours??

What is so important to you about my grain that you cannot survive without it?

I believe I have a right to try and sell the grain grown on my farm to anyone in the whole world who might want it. How is it any of your concern where it goes or how?

If you are going to answer, please try and keep it simple so that I can understand you.

I don't care about anything else right now other than the answers to these three questions.

Thanks for your help.

Happy New Year.

[TOM4CWB]

Silverback,

I think it comes down to this:

CWB "Single Desk" supporters believe they can get more for their own grain... if you are forced to market your grain Silverback... in the same manner they themselves do.

1. They believe the lowest price is the real price the market settles to.

2. They don't believe the same market forces that reduce price... in reverse actually increase the value of grain (IMHO just as often in real dealings) above the average price... "Single Desk" theory assumes the buyer has all the perfect market information (which will cause a lower price to be acheived) and the seller has imperfect information that will cause undervaluation of the grain to occur when the sale price is decided.

3. Single Desk sellers don't believe in personal responsibility or have faith that a fair price can be acheived from selling to an entity who is larger and has an understanding of markets the grower normally doesn't experience or they themselves can understand. These "Single Desk" sellers expect to be taken advantage of, and that people who buy their grain will rip them off at any opportunity or time. "Single Desk" sellers want added market power to extract extra value with this added economic power... and the comfort knowing that they didn't get less than the average sale price for that produce at that time.

[stubblejumper]

Silverback I believe you or anyone can price their crop south of the border and receive a better spot price than the CWB can give us. But would this happen if we all tried to price our crops there. How many people are realy trying to market crops, in reality they just want to price crops in the American market. To be able to get the best average price the American sales must be included because we all know they are usually the highest prices.

[silverback]

Please answer the questions more directly.

Are you saying that if I do the work to find a better price for my grain, then you should benefit from that work also?

Thanks.

[stubblejumper]

Anyone can make a phone call to an elevator in the US is that marketing

[stubblejumper]

Sorry Silverback, but I've to say this. Stubblejumper yes by picking up the phone and phoning a ND elevator that is marketing.

Becuase of guys like you, myself and Silverback can't take advantages of these markets. Simply because CWB supporters are to lazy to market their grains!! And now with DPC & FPC contracts guys like you are reaping the rewards because of guys like me & Silverback for using these pricing tools. I don't believe its fair for me to take the time to watch markets to better my bottom dollar so suppoters such as yourself can lay on the couch watching Dr. Phil.

Lastly do you really believe our little petty Wheat crop makes that much difference to a Global demand?? If you do your're sadly mistaken!!

[wilagro]

silverback: TOM4CWB has answered the questions with the answers that you wanted so there is no point for CWB supporters to reply.

Cheers

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

Question,

Will the CWB system actually attain a premium over and above a voluntary system... if carried through in a marketing simulation?

Is attaining the highest "price" possible the actual objective of the "single desk" marketing system we operate through the CWB today?

[wilagro]

Tom: I don't know. I am not a seer.

[sawfly]

snappy
do you beleive our petty little wheat market makes that much differance to globel demand

do you beleive the petty little amt. of glyphosate that FNA members imported had any effect on the price

you already had 6 sellers and yet one more cut the price by a third.

i support the board but also watch the markets and do fpc and basis contracts.

admittedly sometimes its hard to see huge benifits or priceing power from the board. ( and maybe their debateable) benifits are a lot more visible in the durham markets.

would you explain the chain of events when the board is gone and cdn wheat flows freely into the USA

the US already exports wheat and cdn wheat would flow to the best price.
the entire exportable cdn crop would flow south until the us price matched the returns of the export market.

would the usa and its farmers put up with that.
the us gov. spends lots on conservation reserve to keep land out of production. and support prices, only to have cdn. wheat benifit from that?

either one of two things will happen

the border will be closed to protect prices and support programs.

or they will convert all subsidies to direct producer payments and let prices tumble to world levels.

chemical companies make milloins by not cutting each others throats on price.
i dont think its in our best intrest to let you cut mine , or me cut yours.

i have a potato growing neighbor (anti board) had his price and his market set up. thought producers were disiplined only to be undercut from alberta by a 1/3 .

goodwill in a market is worth something but price will trump it every time

[sawfly]

Sawfly, I mentioned this earlier another time in a different post. So I'll ask you now. Why does everyone believe that if the CWB is gone the "big bad Americans", are going to desroy us?? Our Canola is on an open market, and we seem to do just fine marketing it to Europe on our own. The same type of argument was raised the time oats came off the CWB. Nothing happened. If the CWB was to lose Malt Barley, and Wheat nothing would change the world would go on as we know it.

CWB supporters are just afraid of change simply because of the Propaganda we are fed. How many guys on this site bought a big generator for the big Y2K scare back in 2000, because the world was going to come to and end.... Propaganda. How many guys in the past ten years have switched to a one pass seeding system, myself included, but 10 years ago said "that'll never work not working the land",.... More Propoaganda.

If the Wheat Board dies life will go on!!

[BennyHin]

Was the CWB also responsible for Y2K propaganda?

Who made lots of money from this propaganda?

What would you have been saying on Jan 1, 2000 had nobody taken proactive mmeasures, and all computer systems failed on that day?

[BennyHin]

Snappy:

From my experience working with an independent ag-retail firm before full time farming, when doing cold-calls, I found the CWB supporters were more skilled in (board and non-board) grain marketing than the well-know anti-board farmers in the region. They also had a greater understanding of the ag industry in general (rail, chem, fert, govt regulations etc). I also found they tended to be much less vocal, than the "choice" farmers.

Perhaps you have it wrong, in that it may be those who want "choice" are the ones watching Dr Phil all day, or spending too much time shopping for a new sled every year

[BennyHin]

BennyHin, you just made the point I was exactly trying to make. No I don't blame the CWB for Y2K. But like I said you gave the response what any typical CWB supporter would give. WHAT IF. Benny what if you ate toast for breakfast instead of cereal, what if you bought a John Deere tractor instead of a Case IH, what if you were given the choice to market your grain instead of using the CWB monopoly??

And as far as a CWB supporter knowing more about marketing than a CWB hater. Your sadly wrong.

P.S. I actually did buy a new sled 2 days ago, thanks to my marketing skills of using the closet thing to free market as the CWB will let us in being DPC contracts. The poor suckers who are left sucking slough water who chose the pro, and now are a good $1/bus behind me. But don't worry thanks to the few of us that chose these options the guys sitting watching DR. Phil will reap the rewards!!

[TOM4CWB]

BennyHin,

Do you know what is the saddest part of all of this?

The CWB could operate in a manner that DOES respect each one of our property rights... in a way that does truly maximise our returns!

The CWB approach has been a cup half empty...

If a grower finds a market that is at a premium... with more risk and special quality required intrinsic to what has been grown... why don't we say "bless you... be careful... here is your export license @ $1.50/t"?

We can grow our market... globally... using innovative marketing and hard work! Instead the CWB says it must shrink our market over the next 10 years.

THose who work and take the extra risk and time to search out different marketing options deserve the right to fail... if that is the cost of freedom!

Don't you see they would be even better supporters of co-operative marketing if they prove to themselves the CWB is doing a reasonable job!

THis is what happened before 1993... and the CWB monopoly "single desk" was not threatned.

WHY?

Because the collective human spirit has a much bigger capacity to create prosperity & wealth...

Than our selfish spirit has intent to intentionally fail and destroy this capacity to be productive and prosper!

The CWB tactic since 1993 of being negative and using fear and intimidation to snuff out and smash peoples dreams... cannot be rewarded. Goodales creation of selfishness and revenge is simply immoral and destructive.

The 2006-07 marketing performance of the CWB in simple terms proves this beyond a reasonable doubt... to any reasonable and human spirited person who would love their neighbour as themselves!

Simply put... the CWB MUST stop selling grain they didn't get permission from the individual farmer to sell!