No Explaination? Anyone?

[silverback]

Well, it's been almost a week and what I thought was a pretty straight forward question post has been mostly ignored by supporters of the status quo. So in all due respect I will try again and hope for some direct answers to these simple questions over the next week.

"To the supporters of the CWB":

Why do you think I must pool the wheat and malt barley grown on my farm with yours?

What is so important about the grain grown on my farm, that yours cannot survive without it?

I believe I have a right to try and sell the grain grown on my farm to anyone in the whole world who might want it. How is it any of your concern where it goes or how it gets there?


I don't know how to boil it down any further than this. I don't need to hear about studies, the US, the gov't, the multinationals, marketing, or the cwb itself. These are pretty simple questions in my opinion.

(Thanks to stubble for posting an answer at least)

Thanks.

[roly]

Silverback, I think you're on your own here. I asked similiar qustions also with no answer.

I don't need to hear about #'s, and stats, because that could go on forever.

It comes down to simple rights & freedoms of choice. Like you Silverback I would like to see how a CWB supporter feels that we have to be forced into selling to the CWB??

I've found when you ask the question point blank... no response. But if you ask a question,what if you could only sell Canola through Cargill, and you were forced to do so and wouldn't be able to sell to SWP,Agricore,Bunge,JRI,P&H, they all laugh at how ridiculous that sounds.

Yet how is it any different than the CWB monopoply??

[wd9]

RE: Why do you think I must pool the wheat and malt barley grown on my farm with yours?


Because it is the law.

[wd9]

I believe I have the right to smoke marijuana. Doesn't affect anyone else.

My rights and freedoms are not being observed. Why should anyone tell me I can't do it.

I guess my rights and freedoms lie with the fact I can go to Ottawa and have the laws changed.

The same reason my wife can vote today, or why she can marry her girlfriend, or why she can legally get an abortion.

Huge personal sacrifice and tremendous committment to a cause is how laws are changed. Not necessarily the majority, but enough to make a difference change laws.

BTW, it isn't your wheat or barley, it is the CWB's wheat and barley. You just grow it. It is the law after all.

Are these the answers you were after? Or do you just want to moan about the current situation?

[TOM4CWB]

Snappy & Silverback,

There can only be one answer.

Wars have been fought on far more insignificant issues than taking a farmers grain that this person grew themselves without that growers permission.

We need to start a class action suite.

NDP, Provincial and Feds, Liberals, Provincial and Feds, NFU, Bloc Quebecous, Ralph Goodale, DION, Orchard, Freinds of the CWB, CWB "Single Desk" Directors... CWB managers and proffesional staffers... EVERYONE who promotes the "single desk".

EVERYONE that slanders market choice growers... saying that the "single desk" gets more than the individual grower making their own choice:

These folks MUST Pay for their words and slanderous actions and words. THey deserve nothing less.

Haven't we waited long enough... worked hard enough, seen enough "single desk" losses on our farms to retire on?

THis is purely a simple issue about freedom, the freedom to fail or the freedom to prosper...

Without the freedom to fail... we cannot have the freedom to prosper!
TRJ

P.S. Goodale didn't put maximisation of grain returns into the CWB Act... because he said the Gov. of Canada could easily be open to massive damages IF the CWB didn't perform.

ABout time we reminded him of this... and take every last red cent he has!

[silverback]

WD9,

Thank you for being honest. It is nice to see in this area of concern. If that is how you feel about it, great.

I am not going to moan or berate anyone this year, I just want to know the answers to my questions.

Thanks.

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

Interesting point on the weed.

A strong argument can be made that Liquor is more destructive than THC...

Although talking with airline pilots you will find in stressful situations the "High" comes out of the persons body fat and triggers a relapse and slows respose times significantly. I am told it can take months to clear a persons system.

I don't think these issues are like "communism" where it is straight political bullying that allows some people to confiscate others property they neither worked for nor legally earned.

[TOM4CWB]

Wd9, well said. Thank god come Feb we will have a chance to change this law!!!

[TOM4CWB]

Wd9, well said. Thank god come Feb we will have a chance to change this law!!!

[wd9]

Tom4CDuhBuelYooBee you're right, 80% of domestic violence is attributable to alcohol. Yet, that is where our society is at.

Freedom to drink but not toke. Freedom to sell canola, but not wheat. Doesn't mean it can't be changed - does it?

I guess the thing is key individuals have and probably always will change history. Another question is maybe - do one of those individuals exist today? Haven't seen one myself, but I don't get out much.

Silverback, I empathize with you're question as it it has been asked oh so very many times and what comes back is opinions from two very different sides that never seem to convince or answer each other. Much like drugs vs alcohol, gay vs het, prolife vs prochoice, Ford vs Chev.

By the moaning thing, I mean, it is time to stop asking the question of the "what must I, prove to me how, show me the numbers ... " but more of maybe what proven and methodical steps in legislative change need to be taken to access those rights and freedoms? Now that would be a great post!

Win the general public on an issue, then you have some pull. Environment has become second most important issue in Canada. Why? Public pull.

The whole thing is only a motion in the House of Commons away from change.

[cottonpicken]

Weed?-thats only for sick people.
The backwardness of our society use to be depressing,now i find it funny.

[chaffmeister]

wd9 makes some good points through analogies. How about another - seatbelts. Did anyone vote to have seatbelts made mandatory? Not sure myself but I think it was more a case of various legislatures taking note that if they reduced the amount of serious personal injuries from car accidents, then the health care bill would also drop. And making it mandatory to wear seatbelts would redcue those pesky personal injuries. In other words, they used a fiscal approach.

Now if we had the REAL performance of the CWB where parliament could see it, it seems to me that a similar decision would be imminent. I can hear it now: "The CWB is actually costing farmers money? And then the Feds are pressured to cough up even more support?" Enough said.

So tell me again why we need a vote on the CWB? Did we get a vote on seatbelts?

[chaffmeister]

wd9 – you’ve got me thinking.

The CWB debate is clearly as you’ve indicated: “different opinions – different sides that never convince the other”. This debate will continue ad infinitum unless we change the focus.

And you are absolutely right about the “public pull” concept. And politicians are swayed by public pull (polls). Unfortunately, I don’t see this happening in the CWB debate. I live in the City of Winnipeg – where I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard people say, “What’s the big deal? Just let the farmers decide what system they want.” In other words, why should I care? (Now if they thought for a minute it was costing them tax money to support farmers BECAUSE of the CWB………) Or – if parliament could see that it was a financial drain, then it could become a case of making the right fiscal decision - like seatbelts.

The tools are in place – freedom of information. (And to members of the Borg - don’t even begin to bore me with ideas that the latest barley study tells the tale; it’s as flawed and misguided as any I’ve seen.)

[Lifer]

I thought my wife would have to divorce me before she could marry her girlfriend.

I also understand that grain grown on my farm is my own unless I would like to sell it for other then animal feed.

I also believe that whether the CWB gets more or less on its sales is irrelevent to the question of freedom.

[wilagro]

Freedom, freedom, freedom...that's all I ever hear from the anti-CWB gang.

Well, if you want freedom then VOTE for it in a referendum as to who gets the control of grain marketing. Past votes have shown that the majority WANTED the CWB to market a certain part of their production of wheat, durum and barley (not all by any means).

The way that the poor oppressed farmer screams about lack of freedom is quite laughable in a way. We never had it so good in this country. How would you like to live under some of those tinpot new republics in Africa? THEN you could holler for freedom and never be heard.