Marketing Solution to Farm Crisis

[TOM4CWB]

Chas,

I get the feeling that you think that some very powerful people control the futures markets, and have these markets under their spell!!!

Wrong!!!!!

Anyone who has traded any amount of futures knows that the futures markets are controled by random events like weather, and supply demand forces.

No person on this planet can themselves accurately predict anything that will happen next week on these exchanges, let alone next month, or next year. Only God himself knows, and my understanding is that God allows us to do what we are doing, which means that he would not tell us, or then we would not have the freedom of choice, which is our right as human beings when he created us!!!

I beleive that if we have innovation and creativity in our blood and brains, we will rise above our problems, and work together to make this planet a better place to live on for everyone, not just farmers!!

What do you think of this idea?

[parsley]

1. Steve, this is what Chas shares with us, about you...

".......he owned "his own survey company before his farming days. He contracted work with oil companie........"


Steve, Were you able to contract with any oil company, or were you limited to contracting with a "government corporation" ? Could you have contracted your services in the East, or the USA or Iran if they hired you?

2. Steve, you say, " I did not say the majority is always right, but always rules in the democratic country."

If you have a democracy, there must be allowances in the constitution for freedom. Majority rule without basic guiding principles becomes mob rule.

Is arresting people for selling what they grow a good thing or a bad thing? It is a very important question. Is it a decent thing to throw anyone in jail for selling a painting they painted, or for selling a software package they designed, or for selling a load of wheat that they grew? Everyone must decide for themselves what basic principles they value and support.

Wheat Board supporters often claim that they will have less money in their own pockets if someone bypasses the pooling method.

Is that a valid reason for coercion Steve?
Parsley

[chas]

Tom4cwb you mistrust the CWB I mistrust the futures market lets call it a draw I will give you the domestic open market for all our grains and you give me CWB and the export market and we can use them both to our own benefit. Under this agreement we could benefit with value added domestically and keep are export Trade disagreements to a minimum.
Now that he have that settled can we get on with the job at hand.
Parsley pay attention you're not the only one that knows were we are going.
You can't even market these dam chickens without someone getting in your road. Chas

[chas]

Tom4CWb, Parsley, Freebird and all other nay sayers give me an answer on the above. Chas

[freebird]

Chas,

I grew it, therefore I have the right to sell it - to the domestic market, to the export market, and if alien life forms were to land and want to buy my wheat (provided they weren't a military threat), I have the right to sell my wheat to them, too.

And you can market your grain whatever way you want - as long as you're not restricting how I market mine.

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[parsley]

Chas, I've been reminding you at times, where you have been......where farmers have been....and many of us are not satisfied. Nor are you. You're starting to sound a little as if you've been squating on your spurs.

Principles are not negotiable Chas. If freedom of marketing applies to flax, it should apply to wheat. If it applies to domestic, it should apply to export.

I imagine for a lot of you to have to answer the question,"do you think farmers should go to jail for what they grow/", is a pretty uncomfortable question. For those that believe farmers should be jailed for selling what they grow, or for selling what painters paint or what designers design, if you truly believe that, It shouldn't be surprising that a lot of producers out there would never want these farmers (or corporations) as a business partner or associate. It draws the line. Free or forced. Everyone must chose what moral path they want to follow to build agriculture.
Parsley

[chas]

Parlsey & Freebird: I know and respect were you are coming from but I'am looking for a more stable price and supply. If we go to the free market and trade as you say Europe and USA would also want free access to our markets. With their money and subsidies they would produce us into the poor house. We would be summer pasture for American cows. We got to change the way the world does business in the agricultural industry to make it sustainable.
Farming has been very good to me> I started with $20,000 in l974 and have build into a buisness thats worth over a million. I bought land and machinery from my father at the going rate as I had six brother and sisters that wanted their rightfull share. I'am not complaining about my lot in live. I'am blessed with land and weather in my area that provides me with a very constant cropping yield. Two of my sons have started farming in the last five years. I would like to believe your freedom system woould work but I see what is happening in the rest of the world where farms have a free market and it is no inprovement over what we are doing. I can't understand how things are going to change without changing the way the world does marketing of grain.

[parsley]

Chas, on our farm, we do business with a lot of other people. We have close business associations with a whole lot of folks...and they've beeen on the go for many years. Same kind of deals, year after year. Same folks, year after year. In a whole lot of different areas. We associate because we want to, because we work well together and because there is profit for everyone. Just what you are suggesting. I think forming alliances and working together is absolutely a must if you want to maximize profit. Sharing machinery, trading work, sharing pastures or whatever has been done since farmers first smiled at farmers.

That's not to say that the beekeeper shouldn't work in solitude if he wants.

Your idea of joining forces if good, of working towards saving dollars is good. I've just been emphazising that relationships like we enjoy aren't forced, they cannot be legislated. In the long run ,we do our best when we want to.
Anything built on less will not thrive for long.
Parsley

[ianben]

Hi Chas
Hear! hear! I thought you said you could not write I could not have put it better!!!

Farming has been good for me too, and I want it to be good for my kids.I have the open market now it is no better a low price is STILL low.

This fuel thing interests me though, if wheat is energy we can value wheat against oil and gas which seem to always cost more today.
What do you think about this as a way to fix a price?
Regards Ian

[ianben]

Hi Parsley
I agree with everything you say too, but do we have to change your relationships, perhaps we might improve them?
I believe a volentry system is the only way it could work.
Money works, I have said this before I know, so why not this?
The principle would be the same.

Regards Ian

[parsley]

Ian, you say improve? Or perhaps widen is a better word? Really sorry about the hoof and mouth in England. it will be very difficult for your farmers.
Parsley

[chas]

Parsley I agree with you, you can not legislate it upon us like a traffic ticket. It has to be of our own making not the governments. Thats why I'am thinking a domestic open market for wheat and barley is as far as we'll ever get to try and gain some control for ourselves and value add. Export is never going to happen for us.
Ianben sorry to hear about hoof and mouth in pigs over there. How much more damage can your livestock industry take.
Maybe burning wheat is a way to fix the price Ed. Chas