Will CP please Define Cuba?

[cottonpicken]

OK let me get this strait.We tell cuba to open up into a free market and then canada in all its righteous glory turns around and subisdises its ag sector undermining cuba and any other poor countries economy.How about manufacturing(bombardier)?
Does anyone here think we are a true free and open market?
Ive said it before and i'll say it again-OUR ECONOMY IS CALLED COMMAND AND CONTROL NOT CAPITALIST FREE MARKET
If your an armchair economist parsly i'd like to here your thoughts on this.

[jensend]

and i guess all the free marketers will campaign against any subsidy for ethanol production??? part of that subsidy is going in the grain growers pocket if the extra demand pushes prices up. but, but, but

[FarmRanger]

I’m not sure where you are going with your argument cotton? Cuban peoples freedom to work hard and reap the rewards of a capital economy must be done by Canada’s coercion? Is it wrong for us to care about the suffering of fellow human beings, and try to do something to improve their lot? Maybe the Canadian socialists are afraid that when they travel to Cuba they might have to pay more for drinks because their waiter got a better job in a market economy?

We have many restrictions on the Canadian free market economy. Some good, some bad, and some arguable like the CWB restrictions for prairie farmers. Whatever warts our country has, they are infinitely preferable to living under a communist dictatorship.

[FarmRanger]

Jensend, it depends on what you’re trying to achieve, whether you subsidize biofuels or not. Personally, I agree that we can kickstart these industries to try to wean us off fossil fuels. If people aren’t willing to pay more for biofuel for environmental reasons in the long run, and people vote to end biofuel production with their wallets, then the industry won’t prosper without subsidies, but should it?

Wouldn’t you agree that there is more environmental benefit from biofuels than we got from promising impossible emissions reductions, and then ignoring them with the intent of writing a cheque to China paying for the amount we missed our Kyoto targets? At least biofuel benefits Canadian farmers.

[chaffmeister]

Cottonpicken:

First you seem to think that Canada helping Ukraine is misguided….. (Remember Charlie’s trip and follow-up posting where you said “If the situation was reversed would they help us?”)
Now you seem to think that, through domestic subsidization, Canada will “undermine Cuba and any other poor countries economy”.

What do you really believe? Or are you just plain cynical? Or do you just like picking fights?

You also ask: “Does anyone here think we are a true free and open market?”

Do you actually care what anyone else here thinks? (I recall a posting of yours saying that you didn’t.) Or is this just your way of mocking others and goading them into saying something that you can then attack?

You also said “OUR ECONOMY IS CALLED COMMAND AND CONTROL NOT CAPITALIST FREE MARKET”.

Fine. I guess it’s settled now. (However, I’m still a bit confused……How is it that you can FREELY buy and sell equities and commodities, thereby profiting from your market savvy, yet the economy is not a “capitalist free market”?)

Here's one for you -

The only really true free market is a “black market”. But an economy and culture that resists the need for one is considerably better off without it.

[cottonpicken]

I didnt start this fight/debate i believe i was the one goaded in.
I dont have a right to defend my position on a subject?
Do i believe communism is a good idea? NO,but our own system is far from perfect.
I was simply trying to explain the accomplishments of a great peoples who have been fighting an up hill battle for a long time.I didnt think anyone here would egknowledge that fact and i was right.Cuba=communist dictatorship=evil and thats that.
There is a very good reason why socialism is sweeping across latin and south america(even mexico came within a hair and a civil war).

As far as not caring about anyone thinks-the context was i dont care what anyone thinks of MY market views.

My market speculation is based upon the fact we have a flawed system.

[parsley]

cottonpicken,

Simply put, I know how to make ends meet. So do you.

When goods and money are scarce, as is usually the rule in socialist/communist countries, people have to make ends meet, somehow. But they resort to looking for the good life. Quantity. Variey. Consistency. Dependability. Exotic. Harmony. No force. Co-operation. Mutual respect.

G-8's have worked at this over years. Not perfect, but they have some things in common that have provided positive results all Third-Worlders seek, including Cuba.

Are capitalist countries self-disciplined enough? Some do better than others. You noted that the US is carrying a burdomsome debt, I agree, but their economy is big, big, and their output is astounding. And their will is admirable.

Give the USA credit, cottonpickin, they are the only nation that comes to my mind, that sacrificed their own citizens in a war waged on slavery to put an end to slavery. Not talk. Action. The only nation.

That alone, makes them rank really high in my books. Their economic notions are closely knit with their sense of freedom notions. Hand in hand, CP. Here's the formula:

ECONOMICS FREEDOM = WEALTH

That is a formidible front for a nation/society/town/co-op/family/cottonpicken to build.

The end result is that US citizens are focused, informed, and participatory. They produce. Produce. produce.

Liberty astutely capsulated Cuba's basic problem:

".. a nation that produces next to nothing, can afford next to nothing. Those are the unavoidable consequences of a centrally planned economy."

We had a young man from China work on our farm for some time. It makes me appreciate Canada, cottonpicken.

Seek to define what you like about our political system. I appreciate that we have the opportunity to even have this discourse.

Parsley

[cottonpicken]

Ive spent thousands of hours studying the us debt system.I could tell you things that would make you cry-if you believed me that is.

[BennyHin]

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[parsley]

CP, Thousands? That begs asking, what is your most significant observation?

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Bennyhin,

Intimidation is an interesting tool... one Stalin was a master at using... and he taught many others that it could be used sucessfully to change the world. Mao learnt well... and well may have disposed of twice as many people.

That we are scolded for bringing these facts forward requires some thought.

Communism and socialism failed because of a lack of respect... one person for the others around them. Freedom and Integrety, Respect and hope... all bring brotherly love.

Love can heal a broken heart... can forgive all things... and build a future through co-operation where no other intrinsic human value or spirit can even come close to building a better future.

[parsley]

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