Glyphosate market drying up

[WiltonRanch]

It’s funny how time wipes peoples memories of dire situations and the reasons why you do things today the way you do. Gets worse with succeeding generations as they don’t know unless you tell them if they’re willing to listen. People a world away trying to tell you what has been working and improving your land is wrong is about as silly as letting the fox guard the hen house. I don’t think everyone here is critical of European high tillage methods as it must have been working for the last 1000 years give or take but it virtually f u c k e d millions of acres of prairie soils. Even my heavy ground summerfallow with tillers and even sweeps pulled a lot of topsoil into the draws.

[Guest]

So as gly is slowly but surely coming off the market, firstly in the lawn and garden sector (40 million acres in the US) Bayer has moved to protect their image elsewhere trying to keep the company afloat.
This is what's available in the local grocery store a couple aisles over from food. Suppose it's OK because the replacement product on the right is only vinegar but still called roundup. The one on the left is a mix of gly and nonanoic acid (certified organic in OZ) called Beloukha in the territory north of the US.

[blackpowder]

You were here in the 80’s when you worked for FCC, you woulda saw it too . Eighties were bad , that what started zero till here
if we woulda been tilling this year with 3.5” rain , most wouldn’t have got harvested

I worry I'm starting to sound like an old man. Telling stories few understand. Do I repeat myself because I'm lonely or because I feel no one listening? Lol.
Although it's getting harder to see, if you have a little prior knowledge, you can see what fields were like 60 years ago and how they got that way.
50 years of using a one way. No fert, all straw in the pile.
Now I see slough bottoms coming back for the second or third time in my memory..
I hope the well fed fanatics leave us able to produce and conserve sensibly.
Gly good or bad, is just the beginning.

[blackpowder]

And I don't need a picture to know what an inch of dirt from a field looks like in the sky.

[Guest]

Do those houses look 10 years old to you?
the pic is from the dust bowl 30’s just copyrighted 10 years ago. The Simpson Sears house in the forefront kinda gives it away !

I was referring to colevilles graph and not the house.

[Guest]

Looking at those beautiful,clean,fungus free stands your harvesting there it appears your in a different world.

I did see a lot of take all despite chemical seed treatment with a fungicide plus they did two fungicides at late stages. Also we know gly causes an explosion of fusarium. So these guys are well and truly on the treadmill. I am in a different world you need to learn about.

[Guest]

75 years ago the certified organic system was just getting started. Mid to late 40s. And today in the US organic broadacre organic is barely 1% of the acres. So to blame dust storms, erosion on organic is stupid to say the least. Regenerative organic certification is growing, evolving for the better, no till without chemicals that cause cancer and compromise soil function. Conventional ag is going backwards as tillage is being reintroduced big time and actually promoted.

[url]https://rodaleinstitute.org/why-organic/organic-farming-practices/organic-no-till/[/url]

[Guest]

This is not a thread about organic per se. Gabe Brown hasn't used gly for ten years. Here's a glimpse of what works with no dependency on gly. Sustainable.

[Guest]

Works in America. Works in Australia.
24000 acre farm

[url]https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-09-01/regenerative-agriculture-embraced-by-wa-famers-as-market-grows/11446584[/url]

[agstar77]

There is a lot of pixie dust in your narrative. Reality is far different from Gabe Browns methods. Maybe you should read up on Andrew Mcguire from Washington State. He makes good points about Gabe Browns work.

[ColevilleH2S]

OMG, Gabe Brown this, Gabe Brown that! The guy switched a corn farm to a cattle ranch. Any fool can eliminate herbicide use that way.

If you want a practical template for grain production on the plains fallow the work of Dakota Lakes Research Station, not a cattle ranch.

[TASFarms]

Gabe Brown,Dwayne Beck have worked together. Might as well throw Dr.Christine Jones,Dr. Kris Nichols