DEF question

[blackpowder]

Emissions warranty off on my 16 litre Iveco in 9240 combine. 1000 hrs. Have to keep for a while. Deciding if I should delete or not. $5k with DOC and muffler refit etc.
Don't need any more power.
I have been fussy with supply and maintenance.
Haven't had trouble yet but..
Wondering what percentage of units out there have trouble?
I know $5k doesn't go far if you do not to mention downtime.
A roll of the dice either way.

[TOM4CWB]

Many folks will pay more for good used units… if they remain factory.

10-15%…. some Deere dealers won’t touch units that have been deleted… at any price.

Just a thought…

Blessings

[blackpowder]

I get that. Many ways to harm an engine in the long run if not done correctly.
Those that have trouble with def seem to have no end of it.
Deere is different than Iveco.

[Taiga]

If there is no problem yet I wouldn’t touch it. 1000 hours on an engine is nothing in every other industry except ag machines for some reason.

[Guest]

Ain’t that the truth
in my previous life in the patch we just changed out genset engines at 40000 hours for rebuilds , most were still running fine

[BreadWinner]

We have been deleting our case ih 9240s with programing, but left the exhaust alone. It’s only $1500 and have had 0 problems.

[wmoebis]

Not judging or suggesting, just saying!

I find it odd that farmers are fighting or asking to have Carbon tax removed on some things like heating and propane for drying grain on one hand and then deleting factory DEF on equipment on the other. Doesn't make for good optics to other people and industries that are trying to change their ways for the environment and we want them to see farmers as environment leaders.

[SASKFARMER]

We have a 9620R Deere that always gives us minor issues with def regen. It's off warranty this winter, and we are keeping it for good; it is paid for. It is getting a complete clean. But we are keeping the muffler in the shed. A new burner is 12000 so it's cheap.

[ColevilleH2S]

Good optics won't fix a downed machine that is having emissions problems.
If the greenmob wants us to keep farming with overly complex, unreliable emissions add-ons, they can warranty that stuff for the life of the machine.

[Guest]

We have been deleting our case ih 9240s with programing, but left the exhaust alone. It’s only $1500 and have had 0 problems.

Our 9230 is the same , little box by seat

[goalieguy847]

So heres my question and im too lazy to search for the answer... if only we knew someone on agriville who did nothing other than post green energy and carbon tax info and articles every 9 minutes??

So had a neighbour delete his def on his big new holland 4wd 550 hp etc
And after the delete hes burning 0 def ( it was atrociously high prior to) but now hes burning 20 to 25% less fuel and has more power... so
although the exhaust is dirtier ..would it not be less harmful in the long run burning 20% less fuel?
My brain isnt exactly a rocket science computer but the math checks out.... does it not?

[Guest]

It’s not supposed to make sense
and , Walter , we would have no problem with def if it would work
if you haven’t experienced that cursed red light at all the worst possible times it maybe is hard to understand
or the many trucking companies that are bankrupt because of it
I like it , doesn’t stink up shop
but it just doesn’t work…..

[tubs]

We deleted our 4 years ago and eliminated all the problems,sprayer was the worst get it loaded with chemical get 2 miles from home and the darn thing went in limp mode. Dealer always came out quick bbbbbbbbut it cost me their travel time 450 dollars each time.

[fjlip]

"although the exhaust is dirtier ..would it not be less harmful in the long run burning 20% less fuel?"

We don't really know IF dirtier and some smart guys could calculate the total emissions either way...IF you believe them. It's always WHO do you believe?

[furrowtickler]

Downtime is a serious issue with def.
take a combine for example, roughly average 1000 bus / hr between wheat and canola
average $12 / bus
$12,000 / hr when that combine is down with def related issues
thats on top of the $20,000 plus in extra costs added to the machine with all DEF components.
Add the cost of DEF itself , and higher fuel use .
it’s no wonder some are deleting DEF .
then add the down time across all powered units on farm . DEF has become a massive expense in most farms . Also ties up valuable service time for dealers at critical times of the year .
nothing worse than having a DEF issue at 5 am at seeding or spraying time or after 6 pm at harvest time .
always seems to happen when adverse weather closing in .

most of these newer machines are already very clean burning before these unreliable DEF systems.
they are getting better , but the big costs and frustrations have created this .