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    #91
    Thank you Tom for all your work and understanding.
    I understand the need for negotiation of the possible. Well said. I also understand the current limitations of our Westminster system. As well, that a govt idea today is a law in 20 years.
    Negotiation of a completely wrong proposal doesn't make any of it right.
    The fert reduction proposal as published (last I heard) is foundationally wrong. It doesn't matter the quality of masonry on The Tower of Pisa or the joinery on the Vasa.
    Last edited by blackpowder; Jan 8, 2024, 16:05.

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      #92
      Originally posted by errolanderson View Post
      Vicki, major meltdown in Hang Seng and China stock markets overnight. Asian fallout could topple North American equities. We may all know soon.

      This situation very bearish crude oil. Now a huge challenge for OPEC cartel to keep its glue together. U.S. oil exports feasting . . . .
      NA equities didn't follow the rest, and did pretty well in fact.

      Sun will rise again in the morning Errol.

      Not so good for oil today.

      Gas at .99/ litre at the pumps in some locations here in Mb. since Wab drop the prov. sales tax on fuel by .15/litre as of Jan 1/2024.

      I'm sure he'll get it back later, one way or another.

      Just wondering is all, anything like this happen in Sk or Ab
      Last edited by foragefarmer; Jan 8, 2024, 15:34.

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        #93
        Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
        Re-evaluating my stance on farm groups annually. I have no desire to sit on a board. Staying at the table during endless discussion with bureaucrats a thankless yet necessary job. Do most of the delegates have the skill set?

        A reality check for me occured yesterday. Tongue in cheek, I was bemoaning not buying a condo in Hawaii 20 years ago. (As if I could have - not.) Other fellow said, "that's if you can afford the plane ticket now".
        Point is, we get insulated in our thinking and forget the basics. Endless meetings with peers eliminates a frank recheck of goals.
        Basics are ignored as unnecessary. We are told irrefutable policy is coming, so we attempt to mold it rather than disagree with it.
        The first explains timely sales reporting. The second, codes of practice and fertilizer reduction.
        (I'm a little disgusted)
        LBJ said better to be in the tent peeing out than outside peeing in.
        Fair enough, but I hear nothing from our groups about policy so flawed, rejection necessary.
        Write our own strategy, not debate the tactics of a flawed one.
        I confess to malaise after reading glossy articles on the same subjects all of my career. Thinking I may still request a refund. Open to ideas.
        When a person takes the time to run and represent farmers, does it not make sense they listen to those that put forward resolutions that pass at AGMs? That should become their marching orders if the system is actually working. Its not. I see resolutions come and get ignored. Others get studied to reflect the boards opinion. ( example with saskpulse completely ignoring a resolution to make checkoffs refundable - had survey to support not doing it . Every survey is biased to results the payer wants)

        Farmers need a voice / an omdudsman with teeth for everything from farm machinery complaints to SCIC bullshit etc. That was voted down in an agm . But the farm groups are not accomplishing anything but a precursor to a political career for those with the golden ticket occasionally.
        Last edited by bucket; Jan 8, 2024, 16:15.

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          #94
          To be fair, I think the business of politics is the same no matter size.
          Everyone wants to be in the tent.
          No one outside the tent is listened to.
          Leading to the conundrum.
          On my fantasy list is 2 elected senators per province that can be successfully lobbied. There's your pull ropes on the tent poles.

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            #95
            Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
            To be fair, I think the business of politics is the same no matter size.
            Everyone wants to be in the tent.
            No one outside the tent is listened to.
            Leading to the conundrum.
            On my fantasy list is 2 elected senators per province that can be successfully lobbied. There's your pull ropes on the tent poles.
            Then the Maritime's have 8 senators, and the prairies have 6. Are we any better off?

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              #96
              Remember R Calf?

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                #97
                Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
                Remember R Calf?
                All too well. What is the connection?

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                  #98
                  One group, one state, became federal policy. Would that happen here if not from Quebec?
                  ND senators fought CWB.

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                    #99
                    Canada, a confederation destroyed by special interests and a despotic powerhouse. Quebec made special pulls the strings, Maritimes heavily laden with senators, Eastern Laurentian elites crushing the West, no democracy where coalition rules not votes for and against, the constitution means nothing. In Canada we need equal representation but how can we get there?

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