A.I.

[wheatking16]

When you can sell shares or contracts that you don’t own but can “borrow” how is there not any manipulation

AlbertaFarmer5 has a decent reply to your question.

[LEP]

I cant get over how companies have tweeted prices and bullish info that is designed only to get the farmer NOT to sell his grain which increases the value of the grain companies long postion. Pea prices that are up to $2/bushel above the price they are actually willing to pay the when the farmer calls. And no one calls people out for that.

I was once told by a trader to tell everyone exactly what I think. 50% will believe me and 50% won't and has no affect.

Unless you attend a Viterra "marketing" webinar or meeting. Every one that I have gone to over the past 5 years can be summed up as "The best time to sell is now" .

They were projecting a 6mmt canola carryout. I think AAFC is around 1.5.

Boggles the mind why I bother reading their analysis.

[WiltonRanch]

Unless you attend a Viterra "marketing" webinar or meeting. Every one that I have gone to over the past 5 years can be summed up as "The best time to sell is now" .

They were projecting a 6mmt canola carryout. I think AAFC is around 1.5.

Boggles the mind why I bother reading their analysis.

Yes Viterra only contacts me when markets are tough with a “special” and gloom of overproduction somewhere. Must be a sad lot there when the reps are meeting with their market analysts. Like an NFU meeting.

[wheatking16]

Unless you attend a Viterra "marketing" webinar or meeting. Every one that I have gone to over the past 5 years can be summed up as "The best time to sell is now" .

They were projecting a 6mmt canola carryout. I think AAFC is around 1.5.

Boggles the mind why I bother reading their analysis.

Makes sense considering they are on the opposite side of the trade.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Unless you attend a Viterra "marketing" webinar or meeting. Every one that I have gone to over the past 5 years can be summed up as "The best time to sell is now" .

They were projecting a 6mmt canola carryout. I think AAFC is around 1.5.

Boggles the mind why I bother reading their analysis.

I've never yet called an auction mart when they didn't tell me that the next sale is always the best day of the year to sell.

[TASFarms]

If I take your shares in company c and sell for $20 less a share. I make some money. You didn’t want to sell any of your shares in which the price for you to sell would have to be higher. But I borrowed your shares and sold to someone else. There for your shares that you didn’t sell just lost price. Kind of a simplified explanation of short selling. It’s pure manipulation

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If I take your shares in company c and sell for $20 less a share. I make some money. You didn’t want to sell any of your shares in which the price for you to sell would have to be higher. But I borrowed your shares and sold to someone else. There for your shares that you didn’t sell just lost price. Kind of a simplified explanation of short selling. It’s pure manipulation

How do you sell for $20 less per share? You can only sell (short) at whatever the bid is at that moment. And why would you sell for $20 less, even if you could? The entire point of shorting is to sell as high as possible , not to sell below market, how would you make money when you have to buy your shorts back, if you sold them at below market value to start with?

[TASFarms]

Short selling you make money on the way down. If your long you make money on the way up

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Short selling you make money on the way down. If your long you make money on the way up

Yes. But you don't actually make any money until you buy the shares back hopefully at a lower value than you sold them for.
If you somehow managed to manipulate the market so you could sell your shares short at $20 below market value, and as soon as you stop selling, the market bounces back to where all of the other buyers and sellers believe there is fair value, how do you make money buying back your shares at market value?

[TASFarms]

In a stale market nothing would be made. But when done on a down trend it just turns into more piling on. Driving it deeper.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

In a stale market nothing would be made. But when done on a down trend it just turns into more piling on. Driving it deeper.

And then at some point, they all cover their shorts and drive it higher than it otherwise would have gone. And/or stop it from going any lower than it would have gone.

[dave4441]

Unless you attend a Viterra "marketing" webinar or meeting. Every one that I have gone to over the past 5 years can be summed up as "The best time to sell is now" .

They were projecting a 6mmt canola carryout. I think AAFC is around 1.5.

Boggles the mind why I bother reading their analysis.

AAFC is typically more out to lunch then Statcan. I am pretty sure they use a dartboard as their main prediction tool.