Rayglen Malt Wanted

[Incognito]

PS

you might want to talk to a few farmers who deal direct with malt companies. It does happen if you are big enough strong enough and god darn it - if people like you.

[kamichel]

Incog so far all I hear is wind. So what kind of deals have you made?

[Vader]

Big difference sourcing through the trade (brokers or grain companies) when you have a monopoly versus when those same companies are your competitors in an open (dual) market!

[silverback]

If all else fails, bring out the boogeyman .

[peaqueen]

The point is:
Ever wonder where malt barley would be if it was an open bid market? Would we be selling malt barley at 3.10$ Fob when feed is averaging over 2.85$ Fob. In an open market would 25cents be sufficient premium to lure supplies away from feed?

And in the altruism of the CWB fair and share equal market place is it fair that a broker (any broker) and producers get a better bid than other producers in the barley pool?

Excuse me but if we swallow the CWB vision in a fair and share system no one should benefite over another without equal opportunity to share the wealth including brokers.

Does the CWB of pooling price and all get the same fail to pass the test under this application. (Goodness me, Glory be Heaven forbid the thought!_and the like!)

Or will the CWB plan to compensate the rest of the pool to the same level at the end of the day. (I had heard reports of higher prices being paid as well.)

So how does the CWB equalize payments to all under this scenario. Or will some (dread the thought) get more than some others? A fearsome concept to the security of the vision.

[kamichel]

Going back to 02 03 again when the board had a similar problem to this year. They did come out with extra pay for people delivering later in the year in order to get them to deliver. Not sure if that price garantee came from the board or the elevator company. I did not have malt barley that year, just some neighbours told me. The farmers that delivered earlier lost out. All into the same pool account, different pay.

[Vader]

I get so tired of comparisons between CWB pool prices (usually the initials not PRO's) and spot prices.

Sure todays spot prices are good. Better than they were back in the fall. How many producers are able to hold back all sales from harvest until spring? Almost none. So what is your "pooled" price on your farm. What are you getting if you average what little grain you might still have to sell at todays high spot prices with all the lower prices of grain sales to date.

What makes you think that the CWB is not getting the same high spot prices you are referring to for sales they are putting on the books today.

We all get an average price for the year whether we sell through the CWB or not.

Let's have some honesty here on Agri-ville!

[kamichel]

I always look at the pros and not the initials. Also look at the fact that from
Jan 02 to final 02 malt price down 11 cent
Jan 03 to final 03 malt price down 22 cent
Jan 04 to final 04 malt price up 7 cents
Jan 05 to final 05 malt price up 2 cents
Jan 06 to final 06 malt price stayed same.

Vader do you think that the price always goes up throughout the year. This proves that it does not. So in 02 03 when there came out some price garantees to make farmers deliver into the pooled account that they were forced into. Some farmers got the higher price guarantees and some farmers did not. The ones who relied on the pro took a minus 22 cent hit by the time the final came out.
Just one other thing, I took out the 100,000 cash advance on my wheat this year. So far I delivered 60 percent and got paid nothing. So what would be the difference if I held my grain and asked for a better price. I would have a choice to sell canola, wheat, peas, barley at different times of the year. What is so bad about that. CWB grains is not the only grain availlable for the cash advance. You ask how many producers can hold back grain untill spring and you think none? Yet if you had malt you may not have delivered anything yet. CWRS wheat- 60 percent at the most.

[kamichel]

Bob Sutton from Rahr Malt spoke to farmers at the joint WBGA/WCWGA convention in Calgary on Friday, stated clearly that that malt company needs to contract directly with farmers out side of the CWB to survive. A broker out of Airdrie,working on behalf of Rahr is offering $4.00 delivered in to Alix for this fall. Contract is good, and if over subscribed (more malt contracted than neeeded) the broker and Rahr will honour the contract and the producer won't have to find an alternative market. Funny the CWB won't do that for producers! Even in this weeks Western Producer analysts and the malt traders from the CWB them selves admit that to attact malt for the new crop year significant price increases are needed, as much as a dollar more per bushel over feed. Our malt industry needs choice, to survive, grow and add value to our communities. We don't need speculation such as the CWB board of directors debating if they want to handle barley at all, they can, and will still play a role in a choice environment. The tonnes they contract will attract competition from the grain handling companies we have to handle that barley. That competition to handle the grain means the CWB doesn't have to have invest in elevators, etc. Havn't got my ballot yet, but once it comes it is getting CHOICE marked on it.

[kamichel]

BIG THUD JAW HITTING GROUND. Average price for 2 row malt net to me year end pro for the past 5 years is 2.65 per bushel. 4 dollars? Better not tell anyone in Saskatchewan. Market will get flooded.

[kamichel]

Actually seen something similar to that before where the malt company guaranteed the farmer a certain bushels of the crop guaranteed as the malt price even if it did not go malt. They also did not want to deal with the CWB. Never heard anything since that meating. 6 years ago.,

[kamichel]

back in 03 I believe, during the drought Canada malt got permission to give 100% of the PRO which netted me around the $4 dollar mark (perhaps with trucking premiums as well. Yet because that wasn't till late november that the CWB allowed them to do that , the supply had already mostly gone to the feeders, and they and other malters had to import barley.

[Vader]

The malsters are free to introduce these incentives anytime they want to. What they did in 02/03 proves to me that they can take advance deliveries and pay storage. The CWB has no storage unless we make producers pay for it.

If you really want the CWB to be able to play this game well then the CWB must be allowed to make capital investments.

[parsley]

I thought you boys had already made capitol investments in the Cayman Islands and Mexico.

[TOM4CWB]

Vader,

The CWB was offered BILLIONS to wind down the "single desk" and now you bring this up?

You have got to be kidding.

We would have $6/bu malt barley today... in central ALberta...

What malt premium does the CWB extract for barley growers... WHERE IS IT?

SHOW US THE MONEY CWB.

ANy 2 year old can see the CWB is BAD..., and they deserve a sound spanking.