CWB Vote! Where are all the CWB Supporters?

[SASKFARMER3]

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Last week I posted a topic on the barley vote after a week it seems that the Yes vote for change is winning but only a few CWB supporters cared to respond.
Is Their a reason that so few are voting.
All down in phoenix and didn't get their mail?
No Internet access so didn't see online poll?
Cant read?
Didn't get latest NDP (Farmers Union) Memo so don't know which one to pick from.
Or are they making so much money shipping their barley to the CWB that their on holidays and cant be here for the vote.
Or are they so Depressed that they are selling Malt barley to the CWB for .50 cents on the dollar and have to deliver it now.
Just wondering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chuckChuck]

Perhaps they don't like the banana republic plebiscite? The Strahl forces didn't have as much opportunity to tamper with the Director's elections, so they saved some of their arsenal for their phoney plebiscite. By most measures the barley plebiscite does not pass on basic democratic rules and priciples. Regardless of which side of the issue you are on, having a fair and credible democratic process is very important.

[charliep]

Just a question of what aspect of the barley plebescite is not fair? Number of questions? Voter list? What will be done with it after?

I will stick my neck out and suggest there are major problems with the current CWB involvement with the barley supply chain/quality of market signals farmers recieve. It the CWB maintained single desk status for exports and domestic malt barley, what changes can you see occurring in CWB barley programs. Cash pricing for feed barley? More direct contracting relationships between domestic maltsters/brewers and farmers which include a pricing function? Separate domestic/export malt barley pools? Separate 6 and 2 row pools? A revies of customer quality needs (read China) and the ability to package product that meets these needs at a price above domestic feed markets?

[chaffmeister]

chuckChuck:

I'm keenly interested in a comment you made:

"By most measures the barley plebiscite does not pass on basic democratic rules and priciples."

What measures?
Whose?
What basic democratic rules and principles?

Is it the question?
Or the voters list?
Or the fact that the plebiscite is being held in the first place?

[kamichel]

Did another phone survey today.
Choices were :
1 Would I like to market all my barley under a CWB monopoly.
2 Would I like to market my barley to the CWB or any other buyer.

[kamichel]

Compared to another phone survey.
Choices were:
1 Would you like to market all your barley under the CWB monopoly
2 Would you like to market all your barley to other buyers without the CWB.

Seems some people are out there determined to find all the different ways one can vote.

[TOM4CWB]

Chaffmeister,

The plebiscite clearly identifies the injustice of the current system, and asks participants to right a wrong...

Those who benefit from the injustice of the Status Quo are naturally going to be upset by the Plebiscite...

They are exposed, are likely going to lose power and have already lost their prestige...

Proverbs(20:17) Food gained by fraud tastes sweet to man,
but he ends up with a mouth full of gravel.

Me thinks you are hearing gravel being crushed!

[charliep]

The CWB's own survey (Innovative research group) provides some guidance as to how farmer (in this case permit holders) feel about the barley and the CWB.

Page 24. If you had to choose between the three different approaches to marketing barley, which of the following would you prefer.
1) That barley marketing, for export and domestic human consumption, remain the sole responsibility of the CWB.
2) The dual marketing option where private companies and individual farmers could compete with the CWB for barley sales in the domestic and export market.
3) That there be a totally open market for barley without the CWB.

Results (Alberta numbers in brackets). Alternative 1 - status quo - 29 % (21 %) Alternative 2 - dual market - 46 % (56 %) Alternative 3 - no CWB - 19 % (25 %).

Page 25 If you had to choose between two different approaches to marketing barley, which of the following would you prefer?
1) That barley marketing for export and domestic human consumption remain the sole responsibility of the CWB.
2) That there be a totally open market for barley without the CWB.

Results 45 % CWB remains same (34 % AB). 45 % get rid of the CWB (56 % AB).

Based on the CWB own research, there is reason to ask the current barley question.

[charliep]

Alberta dual market (page 24) should be 48 % - not 56 %. Got 2005 and 2006 numbers mixed. Sorry about that.

[wedino]

Status quo 29% - What goes on during those BOD meetings, they see results like this (a survey commissioned by the cwb) & still they push on for status quo? Unbelievable, like do they even see these results?

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

Mr. GRAY must wear a BLACK hat. He is just looking out for the peasant comrades... who obviously don't have a clue.. never have marketed grain in their lives before... and must be stopped or these "designated area" peasants will collapse the world economy!

[chaffmeister]

wedino:
I firmly believe that the status quo board members <b>DO NOT</b> have the farm community's best interests at heart. How could they when they continue to fight for the single desk on barley when the majority want something else. Hell, they've known this for years - they should have implemented choice on barley five years ago simply on the basis of what farmers have been telling them all this time.

[mustardman]

Chaff

It looks by Charlies numbers that the numbers are tied at 45% each.


If there are only two questions.

Plebiscite Question #2 should not be there.

How can you have an effective monopoly if you have 10 thousand farmers ALSO selling and willing to undercut you?

Also how can you have a web site dedicated to Barley Plebiscite Vote and the first thing you see on the site is the Fed. Govt stating that they are committed to " marketing choice",
Where Is The democratic Neutrality in that?

Kinda of like going to Election Canada website and finding out they are determined to have Conservatives in power.


One question Chaff, I know you have said you don't farm , so what makes it so interesting to you to post thread on an issue that does not affect you?

[charliep]

Just highlight the survey was of permit book holders. I also note the Alberta numbers. 50 % of western Canadian barley is grown here.

Mustard - If I remember right, you don't grow barley. Why your interest in the plebescite?

[parsley]

mustardman, there are 10,000 farmers selling feed wht/bly to the feed mills. Are they undercutting each other? If they are, why doesn't the CWB market the grain to the mills FOR THE FARMER?

If this is making the monopoly ineffective, why does the CWB permit it? The CWB sells feed wht/bly.

Busy. Later
Parsley