CWB system is padding the pockets of U.S. grain companies

[agstar77]

No you certainly don't.

[Fransisco]

I guess you can add one more thing to the list Parsley.

4. Distract from, andor deflect the evidence.

[Fransisco]

So then agstar, you don't have a problem with the CWB selling US companies our grain at fire-sale prices?

[Fransisco]

Why not?

Why does it not concern you?

Are Canadian farmers making so much money that it doesn't matter?

[Fransisco]

Lets look at the malt barley figure of 15 million bushels. We know there is a $1.20u ($55 onne) difference between the Canadian and US price.

That works out to an $18 million dollar gift from Canadian farmers.

For every 10,000 bushels that's $12,000.00.

[parsley]

agstar77,

francisco has both argued and defended his position with logic and reasoning.

You have not.

Not defending what you stand for not only serves to clearly reveal your weakness of argument, but exposes the flaw in the basic philosophy behind the argument, which hence mocks the very essence of the central planner.

You have been reduced to "The single desk is what we need because it is what I want".

That is your legacy.

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77;

You said: "I can't believe there are no other more pressing concerns than the CWB."

All other marketers watch the CWB. THe CWB is SUPPOSED to be a light guiding the ag industry... but what happens?

THe CWB is first to rip off growers... and the last to pay individuals for real risk, reward intrinsic value, and recognise individual property rights.

Other marketers watch, adopt CWB character, and follow the CWB standard.

A monopoly attitude will always lead to arrogance, disrespect, and an evil result.
In large measure... the demise of our co-operative grain merchants/handlers... was caused by them following CWB leadership; these people who knew or ought to have known better!

[SASKFARMER3]

Great thread!!!
problem here is that CWB supporters never can explain how the CWB is actually getting us a premium from any market.
Its simple, the CWB has done a good job over the years but here is your watch and handshake now get out and let the new guys start the job. Enjoy your retirement think about how you helped so many and move to CUBA there might be work their for you.

[Vader]

Francisco,

You start with a few numbers, make a bunch of erroneous assumptions and then come to a ridiculous conclusion. You should admit that you know nothing about the durum market in the US. You know nothing about who is buying and selling durum wheat down there. You know nothing about the values that durum wheat is trading for in the US. You know nothing about the grades of the durum wheat that is being traded in the US.

You should have some honesty and decency and go back to being a skulker here. You should quit posting lies on agri-ville.

[parsley]

Bookmark Vader's routine response to Designated Area farmers above, because it's the gold-standard defense of the Canadian Wheat Board in all it's shining glory.

And do not, do not, I repeat, forget that Designated farmers, every one of you, are viewed by the CWB, as:

1. stupid, know-nothings, incapable of assessing the durum situation

2. incapable of concluding that farmers are not making money,

3. nervy to even have the gall to question how the CWB handles and sells your durum.

Vader has nicely documented for the world to see, in one post, why every farmer in the Designated Area should vote for #3.

Parsley

[northfarmer]

truth hurts Vader.....you should turn into the skulker....dittoo on parsley's points....

[Fransisco]

Tell you what Vader. Here is a simple request.

<b>Prove it!<b>

In any verifiable way you can.

Just <b>prove it!<b/>

Everything I posted is verifiable. If I am wrong, then <b>prove it.</b>

No more of the 'trust me' guff. No more theory. Lets see the evidence.

Real verifiable evidence.

[Fransisco]

Vader if you belive that we have to know exactly

1. Who is buying and selling durum wheat down there.

2. The values that durum wheat is trading for in the US.

3. And the grades of the durum wheat that is being traded.

To come to the proper conclusion, then supply the information and connect the dots.

Just remember that the data I presented covered the entire country. I would ask that you do the same.

[agstar77]

What was the U.S. carryout from 2005 2006?

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77,

I would suggest the issues are:

Can individual "Designated area" durum growers freely access the international durum market... like US producers can... 365 days a year, to maximise their returns?

Are "Designated area" durum growers recieving transparent market driven prices... that reflect a premium price OVER what a US durum grower could acheive just across the US border?

Is it the choice of "designated area" growers to hold back durum stocks this crop year, did we give permission to the CWB to make this decision?

HMMMM... I don't recall any vote being held on A Series contract acceptance levels... or the CWB management decision to presell huge volumes of our grain at fire sale prices even before we even offered it to them... do you?

Who makes these decisions Agstar77?