WHAT IS CWB "SINGLE DESK SELLING?"

[TOM4CWB]

thalpenny, and the CWB,

In the "WHAT IS A DUAL MARKET" topic you brought the CWB "single desk seller" into the discussion.

I hope for a second that we could take a logical look at this topic.

Is the CWB a "single desk seller?"

I think CWB “single desk selling” means, the CWB is responsible for, and controlling the sale of wheat and barley.

IS the CWB the only seller on this planet with Wheat and Barley for sale?

Even from the “designated area” the CWB gets its Agents to sell over 50% of the monopoly grain, right?

Don’t you really mean, “single desk buyer?”

Wasn’t the CWB over 21 percent of world wheat trade a few years ago?

I believe the statistics show the CWB is controlling about 17% of world wheat trade now.

I believe the CWB tells us that we will produce less wheat in the future. What percent of the world trade in wheat is the CWB projecting it will control, if it is still here in 5 years, maybe 10-12 percent?

At this rate of decline, in about 15 years the CWB will control…

Do you consider this to be CWB single desk marketing success?

Now it appears the CWB’s idea of single desk marketing is that we can have more and more of less and less, until we have nothing at all.

Is this leadership, or is this a “designated area” grain farm funeral procession?

[AdamSmith]

TOM4CWB, your right about the CWB not being a single desk seller, but I'm not sure their a buyer of grain either.

In April of 1998 during Senate Committee hearings on changes to the CWB Act, Senator Spivac asked "How does the CWB have an advantage as a marketing agency over companies such as Cargill..."?
Brian White of the CWB answered "Although the Wheat Board DOES NOT BUY grain from farmers, we TAKE ownership of the grain in order to sell it.? He also talked about grain companies buying low and selling high and that the wheat board is different because it buys high and sells even higher. He obviously thought the Senate was full of idiots, maybe it is if they bought that line.

So acording to the CWB themselves they are a single desk taker of grain.

thalpenny, I posed a few questions for you in the "What is a dual Market" Thread. I would sure be interested in hearing the CWB's insight into the need for a multi-million dollar communications campaign at the Board?

AdamSmith

[TOM4CWB]

AdamSmith,

The CWB Act makes it illegal to sell higher quality wheat to anyone but the CWB itself.

The Canada Grain Act REQUIRES elevator operators to grade this wheat correctly.

Legally, there is no way out.

The "taking" part is a matter of opinion!

I wonder when we will be able to constructively start concentrating on making our farms more profitable, instead of spending all this time clearing piles of junk away that have been put in our road just to make our lives difficult!

Oh well, if they don't kill us, they will make us stronger! No? Not our skins?

Just think how well we will be prepared to market when the Alberta Government finally breaks us free!

[parsley]

Since you started this thread, Tom4CWB, there is one important aspect of single desk. AdamSmith will be interested in this, I think.

As a single desk seller, the CWB has a legal duty to:
1. market for what they consider reasonable, and
2. pool the proceeds,...........

all wheat and barley offerred to it by producers. OFFERRED is the key word here. If it is not offered, the grain is still farmer held, and the CWB has no duty of care to it. Nor any rights to it.

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley,

I couldn't agree with you more.

I wonder if the CWB since they can buy wheat from outside the designated area now, (section 39.1)do you think that they will start forcing the rest of Canadian wheat and barley through the "single desk"?

So a question for the CWB.

Since 39.1 over rides section 32 of the CWB Act, when or has the CWB already started exercising its fiduciary obligation to impose the single desk on the rest of Canada?

[parsley]

This was one of the reasons why I asked thalpenny the question in the Value Added thread about the following:

A significant increase in wheat production in Ontario that has been predicted will have a marked effect upon marketing done by the CWB. Should the CWB deny Ontario export licenses, "because it will negatively affect marketing done by the CWB?

halpenny seemed to not understand the point and instead addressed the increase in production!

As you have shown us Tom4CWB, the CWB can now buy in Ontario. At the same time, will they deny Ontario export licenses , as they now deny DA producers, if Ontario is competing for Board markets? Should Ontario should start to shudder?

AdamSmith, Brian White does not understand that the CWB cannot "take" grain not offered to them. Or it would be called "expropriation". And Canada has some definite rules about expropriating. The CWB Act does not state that they ae expropriating. A guy I know let me study his research on the subject, and I it looks soundly done!

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley,

Do you think anyone from Ontario would be brave enough to venture onto this site and talk about this?

Does anyone know any wheat farmer in Ontario that we could get to comment?

[AdamSmith]

parsley, since when has the CWB ever cared about what is legal or what is right?

The CWB and their operatives have told us the sky is green and the sun rises in the west and sets in the east for over fifty years. Sadly though most farmers have beleived their tales until recently.

If what you say is correct parsley, if I do not offer my grain to the CWB, I as a farmer am free to sell to anyone anywhere. The only hitch is the CWB will refuse to grant me an export licence unless I pay their extortion fee (buy-back) and it will also refuse to grant anyone I sell to inside Canada a licence to process this grain and sell it.

That's how it works today. How do we make the CWB do what they're SUPPOSED to do instead of what they WANT to do?

Do the pasta boy's know about this?

AdamSmith

[chas]

If our interpretation of the CWB Act is correct how come some lawyers allowed farmers to be conficted of selling wheat that was not offered to the board. What good is the law if the ACT is not upheld. We better find better lawyers. Chas

[chas]

I have not read the CWB Act but I can't believe that a another section does not cover and restrict the sale of wheat by a producer. The Section you refer to that relates to the offering of grain merely states that the board is committed to selling it for the best possible price for the producer the grain that is offered. It puts some onus on the CWB. You can not take each Section alone with takeing the Act as a whole. One Section may over ride another as it may not stand alone in an over all interpretation of the Act. Just my policemen days over riding a knee jerk reaction to what one Section states. Chas
I will get the CWB Act and interpret for myself.