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    #21
    I would like to share a few thoughts on this challenging topic.

    Grain price moves over the past 5 years have had the ability to make anyone and likely everyone look like an idiot at times. Even the largest players (in market advisory services) have either ceased operations, look like they're going to or likely would be if not for hidden agendas.

    I would suggest the first thing to be sure of is if you are okay with paying good money for advice that will be wrong? It can still add a lot of value and take a lot of stress off your plate but we are hard wired to expect performance. As you know with marketing, if the price goes up, they would have advised selling too much prior to. If it goes down, they didn't recommend enough sales first. Managed expectations are important for it to be worth pursuing.

    In the big picture, the problem is everyone wants to apply logic (rightfully so), expecting if they could just get the fine details right, they would know what prices would do and recommend sales accordingly. The reality is, there are far more factors at play that often trump meaningful fundamentals, especially short term.

    The unfortunate truth is that everyone in the world wants cheap food - other than farmers (and those that service them). This is especially true for governments and central banks that are responsible for managing inflation and economic health. Sadly, it is the latter group that sets policy, collects data and distributes the results. They have the ability to influence the price, and not in a good way, for the greater good of a country. (The exception is when the supply gets dangerously low).

    To make matters worse, large funds have recognized the bias and embraced it, being far more aggressive with their selling than would be expected. 'Don't fight the Fed' has been a very profitable notion in the financial markets for decades.

    On the flip side, the 18 month period around 2021 demonstrated how painful being blindly pessimistic can be. When prices stay too low for too long, supply suffers and there is no cushion for unexpected droughts or wars.

    In my opinion, one should market as if the deck is stacked against them but with the upmost respect for price potential when supplies are driven too low. 'It doesn't matter until it matters' is a thing.

    With that all in mind, I would recommend staying away from any market advisor that isn't humble enough (or realistic enough) to recognize how much influence outside forces have on prices.

    I'm afraid this doesn't help answering 'who' but food for thought on 'who not' or even 'should I'.

    My 2 cents worth (about 1/2 cent now with inflation)

    Mitch Miller
    Last edited by TechAnalyst; Aug 12, 2024, 10:30. Reason: To clean up a few words...

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      #22
      Originally posted by TechAnalyst View Post
      As you know with marketing, if the price goes up, they would have advised selling too much prior to. If it goes down, they didn't recommend enough sales first.
      Wise words. I've heard it stated that every sale is wrong. Wrong because you sold too much, or wrong because you didn't sell enough.

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        #23
        Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post

        Wise words. I've heard it stated that every sale is wrong. Wrong because you sold too much, or wrong because you didn't sell enough.
        Good advice from Mitch and AlbertaFarmer5

        One needs to own the decision.

        Review the decision-making process.

        If the process was faulty, then tweak or change, BUT learn from it.

        If your decision making process is sound and consistent, then understand not every decision will work in your favor, in every aspect of life. The process matters more than the outcome. But first, the process has to be sound and proven

        If the decision was emotional, then review the prior events triggering the emotion and learn from them understanding how to prevent that situation from occuring again.

        Don't have the expectation of selling at the highs or beat yourself up for not achieving them. Your neighbor did not either.

        The success of every business is not determined by profits, it is determined by losses.










        Last edited by wheatking16; Aug 12, 2024, 19:48. Reason: Mitch not Milt

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          #24
          The time to sell was last week? For most of the last 2 years?

          I'm no market advisor but I can read that chart.
          Hindsight is 20/20? An most often nasty.

          Chart from Karen Braun (@kannbwx)

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            #25
            My crop scout (the dog} tells me to swath my canola north and south without a roller.

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              #26
              I for one struggle with making a decision in the first place. Needs to start there right or wrong as proven later. Consistency of process.

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                #27
                Appreciate the tips.
                Like I said Cargill isn’t even an option in my opinion. not even going to waste my time pricing them out.
                I have a few contacts and will have some meetings to decide who to go with. I understand an advisor doesn’t work for everyone and maybe others don’t see the value in it but I do. The opportunities I missed this year alone in seeding made a big difference and a couple guys I know with an advisor got calls on the seeder to do something, so I see it as an asset.

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                  #28
                  Saskcanola suggest TODAY sell for $13.50 25% of new crop...good luck boys if we EVER see $13.50 in our lifetimes.

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                    #29
                    With the little crop I will have to market from this yrs disaster, marketing this crop will be quite easy.
                    I will be locking the bins. LOL

                    I will only have a few bu of peas and lentils and likely light weight cereals.
                    Looks like the only thing I can be thankful for is no canola.

                    There is lots to be thankful for, we do take things so for granted. These crops we grow are our lively hood. We work hard and spend so much, on a yr like this it hurts there won’t be much reward for all the effort we put into it.

                    That’s the way the pickle squirts!!!

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Bushpusher View Post
                      Curious what advisors others are working with that they like and why you like them. I don’t care about options much at this point so not wanting some knob who thinks he had all the answers on that end. I shoulda got one years ago but finally gonna add one this fall. I was looking at Cargill market sense but they hired the tard that f’d up fbns marketing program. I’d prefer to work with one that doesn’t work for a grain company cause thats a no brainer in my head.
                      I run my own grain market advisory business, Trigger Grain Marketing. Feel free to shoot me and email and we can see if I would be a fit. I have plenty of references you could talk to if interested.

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