Purely Canada Foods Corp

[TSIPP]

Government can’t find it’s ass with two hands!

[the big wheel]

Big wheel, can you name one thing the government has got involved with that didn't make it worse than it was to start with?

Hahaha well how in depth do you want this answer to be? I d like you to answer and think about all the private entities that have helped greatly on one hand and on the other hand those that have harmed our society by acting only on the basis of money and not considered morality or decency? So basically everything in a society that can be done privately in a way that benefits the society as a whole and does not harm as whole should be private. And as a matter of fact there are parts of every society where the private alone cannot provide what the society needs by itself or at all in some cases. Thats my own thoughts on that.

In health care we ve seen the horror stories of the old folks care centres for profit where dead people were left in their beds deceased for days simply because of staff shortages??? people abused not taken care of etc etc??? Same would happen if health care was totally private ironically the usa has matured and learned that private just doesnt cover their society and the cost of that loss in good health far exceeds providing public health monetarily and morally.

On the farm as much as I dont like my power bill, if sask power were to be privatized many of us farms off the main path would be paying massive amounts more for our power.

As bad as crop insurance is and it needs to be improved but wont be by this prov gov because they like farms to fail so their friends can make money on the land transfer. But the private ag insurances wont even insure farms in the drought areas so i consider this a necessary for gov involvement if we want an ag industry. But its at the point it has to be totally revamped to reflect whether we like it or not our climate is getting more extreme not suggesting the cause or the cure but the fact that there are way more excessive events occurring and the private insurance would never undertake that.

Further to that if there was no gov trade deals we would not exist and nobody privately would do that in a way that was even for all of us farmers.

Long winded yes but it rained so......

You might want to ask the govs of the USA and Europe why they subsidize and have way better programs for their farmers????? The reason we are at a disadvantage many times compared to other countries is that our gov does not invest enough in programs and infrastructure or have a long term plan like other countries do. And nobody private would even know where to start with something like that especially when they cant make the trade deals.

Have you heard about the land scammers the canola for mortgage scheme, according even to the most far right posters on here that was private scam for land and why did it happen because at the time the cash advance system was inadequate. That has changed and helped.

So someone private is going to collect taxes and apply that to roads, infrastructure, etc etc and all the social programs would never happen and would detrimental to all of us in the long run?

So as I hope you can see there is sometimes a case of a black or white answer and sometimes its more like whats right and wrong in many cases.

PS the absolute stupidest move any provincial gov has made was the sask party privatizing the potash corp, and so many cant equate that with why we have a provincial PST and still cant mange the books.

[furrowtickler]

Hmmm, someone explain this one.

[LEP]

Hahaha well how in depth do you want this answer to be? I d like you to answer and think about all the private entities that have helped greatly on one hand and on the other hand those that have harmed our society by acting only on the basis of money and not considered morality or decency? So basically everything in a society that can be done privately in a way that benefits the society as a whole and does not harm as whole should be private. And as a matter of fact there are parts of every society where the private alone cannot provide what the society needs by itself or at all in some cases. Thats my own thoughts on that.

In health care we ve seen the horror stories of the old folks care centres for profit where dead people were left in their beds deceased for days simply because of staff shortages??? people abused not taken care of etc etc??? Same would happen if health care was totally private ironically the usa has matured and learned that private just doesnt cover their society and the cost of that loss in good health far exceeds providing public health monetarily and morally.

On the farm as much as I dont like my power bill, if sask power were to be privatized many of us farms off the main path would be paying massive amounts more for our power.

As bad as crop insurance is and it needs to be improved but wont be by this prov gov because they like farms to fail so their friends can make money on the land transfer. But the private ag insurances wont even insure farms in the drought areas so i consider this a necessary for gov involvement if we want an ag industry. But its at the point it has to be totally revamped to reflect whether we like it or not our climate is getting more extreme not suggesting the cause or the cure but the fact that there are way more excessive events occurring and the private insurance would never undertake that.

Further to that if there was no gov trade deals we would not exist and nobody privately would do that in a way that was even for all of us farmers.

Long winded yes but it rained so......

You might want to ask the govs of the USA and Europe why they subsidize and have way better programs for their farmers????? The reason we are at a disadvantage many times compared to other countries is that our gov does not invest enough in programs and infrastructure or have a long term plan like other countries do. And nobody private would even know where to start with something like that especially when they cant make the trade deals.

Have you heard about the land scammers the canola for mortgage scheme, according even to the most far right posters on here that was private scam for land and why did it happen because at the time the cash advance system was inadequate. That has changed and helped.

So someone private is going to collect taxes and apply that to roads, infrastructure, etc etc and all the social programs would never happen and would detrimental to all of us in the long run?

So as I hope you can see there is sometimes a case of a black or white answer and sometimes its more like whats right and wrong in many cases.

PS the absolute stupidest move any provincial gov has made was the sask party privatizing the potash corp, and so many cant equate that with why we have a provincial PST and still cant mange the books.

Your right the government should own your land and pay you to farm it. In the spring give you seed and seeding plans. Your fertilizer and seed allotment. Don't use more than you are allowed. Have to control your emissions.

Of course you work 8 to 5 only and no weekends.

At the end of the year the grain is theirs. So you work and get your 3 weeks holidays. Definitely a recipe for success. It worked so well for the USSR.

[the big wheel]

Your right the government should own your land and pay you to farm it. In the spring give you seed and seeding plans. Your fertilizer and seed allotment. Don't use more than you are allowed. Have to control your emissions.

Of course you work 8 to 5 only and no weekends.

At the end of the year the grain is theirs. So you work and get your 3 weeks holidays. Definitely a recipe for success. It worked so well for the USSR.

lmao youre so fkd in the head to get that out of what I said, total maga reject!

[LEP]

lmao youre so fkd in the head to get that out of what I said, total maga reject!

Government good. Private business bad Comrade Big Wheel.

[blackpowder]

Well at any rate. If we want a stable special crop industry how do we do it because the old bond system isn't working.

[Templeboy]

Third party insurance is likely the way to go, the lowest premium will be charged to the grain co with the best credit history. If the third party wont insure, then don't sell to them. We are paying the fee already...just not visible. (Bond cost interest, not getting paid timely, legal costs)

[sumdumguy]

Well, it actually is working, you(the buyer) go over your bond and the license is pulled. The Grain Commission sees to it that the licensee is complying and that producers are almost if not totally covered. How is insurance different? Maybe I am missing something here?

[the big wheel]

How does it work with the bond is there actually money set aside by the companies at the cgc or is it a commitment backed by assets? If its money set aside isnt that a detriment to operating having that much money not being used?

[blackpowder]

Well, it actually is working, you(the buyer) go over your bond and the license is pulled. The Grain Commission sees to it that the licensee is complying and that producers are almost if not totally covered. How is insurance different? Maybe I am missing something here?

Every licenced grain buyer receivership I'm familiar with left people hanging. I was lucky to get 50% of what WA owed me.

[sumdumguy]

As far as I am concerned, when CGC allows operation and assures farmers that they are secured, CGC should be on the hook for the payment in full, not just to the extent of the bond.

[LEP]

As far as I am concerned, when CGC allows operation and assures farmers that they are secured, CGC should be on the hook for the payment in full, not just to the extent of the bond.

I think they have tightened up their monitoring of licensees in the last 4 or 5 years. Less situations of the bond being short of coverage.

But I agree, if they are monitoring the bonds and there is a shortfall they should cover it.

[blackpowder]

I feel the CGC is expensive enough already. If you're suggesting a complete revamp I'd support that discussion.
Not for their current mandate to be on the hook for millions more. You're paying for that too by the way.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Not for their current mandate to be on the hook for millions more. You're paying for that too by the way.

That is the fact that is missed by all the demands that something must be done.
At the end of the day there is only one taxpayer, or in this case, producer who ends up paying for it one way or the other.