Not one western MP or MLA standing up for farmers and the failed farm programs

[jamesb]

As far as farm programs, I do feel that we are better than a few years ago. I am at the point that I don't believe there will be any other "govt" programing or upgrades than what we have now in crop insurance, ag-stability, and agri-invest.
For me this year my options were, up to 80% crop insurance, expensive but way more coverage than 10 years ago, I don't think we will be in a claim at this point, we could have topped up this coverage with Agi3 , again not cheap but a very straightforward top up for yield coverage. We always get hail every few years so usually buy some. We did buy Gars this year, at this point unsure if its going to pay. There are so many options and coverage levels so anything is possible. I do know from others if you buy a low premium product you are far less likely to trigger. I expect lots to trigger big if the right product was bought. We did buy Just solutions in the past and never triggered.
I have had doubts about Ag Stability value for years but our MNP accountant and team always felt it was good value, mind you they make money doing program work too. I kinda think this will pay off for a lot of people this year. We will see with that. At the end of the year I don't think it will be pretty overall but the pendulum always swings back each way. I think the highs are in for land in my parts, expecting to see prices drop a little pretty soon. Just live to farm another day.

[jamesb]

double post

[westernvicki]

Very simply, a calculator will be essential.


Strategy 2025:
Fixed costs must be paid. Variable costs adjusted. Family income is a variable.

Our costs are too high. Rail freight is through the roof.

My drum remains: carbon tax should have been carbon credits.
The revenue would be great now for the province and for farmers.

[the big wheel]

Very simply, a calculator will be essential.


Strategy 2025:
Fixed costs must be paid. Variable costs adjusted. Family income is a variable.

Our costs are too high. Rail freight is through the roof.

My drum remains: carbon tax should have been carbon credits.
The revenue would be great now for the province and for farmers.

Agree totally on the carbon credit thought but why dont we have this when we have a majority Sask party gov? Because it was more important for them to show the far out nut balls that they appose anything carbon that is proposed than it was important to do the right thing for the entire province thats why. Whether any of us think that carbon is good bad or ugly and a solution or not to climate it doesnt matter as you said in another post its what our customers want. Well our world customers are miles ahead in terms of demanding carbon programs of some sort in order to do trade. Getting rid of the carbon tax without any type of replacement will that benefit us or greatly harm our trade? There ought to have been a carbon credit program that valued what we all know we contribute to that situation. It is almost begging us to do so and our politics is keeping us behind.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Carbon credits aren't revenue. They are wealth redistribution. From one industry to another or from consumers to industry.
With layers upon layers of bureaucracy and middle men and accountants skimming off at every step.

[wrongway]

Very simply, a calculator will be essential.


Strategy 2025:
Fixed costs must be paid. Variable costs adjusted. Family income is a variable.

IN What other industry is payroll (family Income) something other than a fixed cost?

we need to pay ourselves first...then of course taxes( like it or not), what is left is for the company to prioritize and distribute as required to meet both short term and long term goals. if you don't value your own labor(pay wages) no one else will either.

[LEP]

IN What other industry is payroll (family Income) something other than a fixed cost?

we need to pay ourselves first...then of course taxes( like it or not), what is left is for the company to prioritize and distribute as required to meet both short term and long term goals. if you don't value your own labor(pay wages) no one else will either.

There are huge numbers of small businesses that have raided their savings and borrowed to the max to get through covid only drawing the bare minimum to finally throw in the towel. Many small businesses that I dealt with at the bank took only the bare minimum pay cheque until they knew how their year would go.

The living costs of a farm family would shock most people if they calculated all the costs that are writen off as business expenses.

[the big wheel]

Carbon credits aren't revenue. They are wealth redistribution. From one industry to another or from consumers to industry.
With layers upon layers of bureaucracy and middle men and accountants skimming off at every step.

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Actually that shows you dont understand the entire picture at all, youre conveniently leaving out the part that its not only the feds that want a carbon program its our customers and trading partners the entire world as well. Petty politics has no place in business. Pierre better have some type of carbon plan and program to replace the carbon one we have now or we re in big trouble trade wise.
The feds gave the option to develop our own plan, if we had an ounce of brains we would have made our own first to seperate ourselves from the fed carbon tax and second to meet the foreign requirements for trade. Carbon credits could have gone a long ways to have done both of those. Even if it would have netted next to nothing for us which it wouldtn t have we would have been ahead by not paying the fed carbon tax. It would have shifted funds to our industry and you think thats a bad thing? Its kinda like saying we dont believe in this crap but we ll do this if it makes you happy to satisfy our end of the deal. And on top of that the price of carbon is rising everywhere so as a long term plan it is a great opportunity missed.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It would have shifted funds to our industry

Shifted funds from where? The CO2 fairy? That can only come at the expense of some other industry or the consumer. The importers certainly aren't going to pay it when our competition hasn't commit economic suicide with a CO2 tax.

If the government can arbitrarily label CO2 as a pollutant and force one industry to pay another industry for their supposed sins, the precedent has been set, and if we support this, it can and will be used against us in the future.

This will be followed by methane taxes on livestock, Nitrous oxide taxes on fertilizer.
Deforestation taxes, water taxes, pesticide taxes, the list of possibilities is endless.

[furrowtickler]

Very simply, a calculator will be essential.


Strategy 2025:
Fixed costs must be paid. Variable costs adjusted. Family income is a variable.

Our costs are too high. Rail freight is through the roof.

My drum remains: carbon tax should have been carbon credits.
The revenue would be great now for the province and for farmers.

The calculator had been essential for most of us the past 5 years , especially in areas with limited moisture and crops .
I know this is the first time in several years for some not to have very decent profits but most have been dealing with this for several years now

[the big wheel]

Shifted funds from where? The CO2 fairy? That can only come at the expense of some other industry or the consumer. The importers certainly aren't going to pay it when our competition hasn't commit economic suicide with a CO2 tax.

If the government can arbitrarily label CO2 as a pollutant and force one industry to pay another industry for their supposed sins, the precedent has been set, and if we support this, it can and will be used against us in the future.

This will be followed by methane taxes on livestock, Nitrous oxide taxes on fertilizer.
Deforestation taxes, water taxes, pesticide taxes, the list of possibilities is endless.

Ummmmm Harper intoduced carbon pricing??? One way or another if youre in the carbon game and pretty much you have to be if you want to be competively in trade someone is going to pay the price. The question is who? Carbon credits can and are bought by people all over the world so it is not a fairy tale to think that our value that us farmers do can be valued and purchased by people outside Canada thus making this a positive for our entire country but specifically us the farmer or are you against farmers getting rewarded for our practices????? Different estimates but one time I heard we farmers capture 12 million t of carbon, the alberta gov you know the far right anti climate change anti carbon gov is going to value carbon at 170 a t. Do you have a calculator???? lmao

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Big wheel, you need to stop getting your propaganda from far left new sites.
The big importers of the world don't care about CO2.

Our biggest competitors in the world ag market are Brazil and Russia.
Brazil's biggest trading partner is China. Brazil has no price on CO2.

Russia's biggest trading partner is China, Russia has no price on CO2.

Canada's biggest agricultural export market are the US ( there is no federal CO2 pricing) and China( see above, does not care that Russia and Brazil don't have a price on CO2)